Rory,
   
  Yeh, I've heard pretty good things about FF, the place. Somehow I've been 
thinking more about FF over the past few months, perhaps because I've received 
some remarkably advanced teachings into the ultimate nature of awareness from 
this tibetan lama I've been working with lately. 
   
  What strikes me about these advanced teachings is the direct access that they 
give to the field of pure awareness for tm or sahaj meditators. It has caused 
me to realize that tm is not a prepratory training for more advanced yogic 
pracitices. In my judgement, tm is a principal foundation practice. The process 
of transcending in tm gives direct experience of the course, subtle, subtlest 
and causal levels of awareness. When practiced without interruption over a few 
years through steady meditation practice, these finer fields of awareness 
become quite awake. My experience is that just by receiving the direct 
pointing-out instructions of the mahamudra and dzogchen teachings, tm 
meditators dissolve into the field of pure awareness in a mere eye-blink. From 
that field they remain, awakened and ready to see deeply into this mysterious 
world of experience and freedom.
   
  So I keep thinking - what a wonderfully deep field of human beings who are 
already waking up in the great expanse - and in such a natual manner. The 
tibetans never had it so good. 
   
  We'll see.
   
  empty
   
   
   
  

Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
          --- In [email protected], billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> As a side note here, my interest in this forum is simply to assay 
the state of mind of some of fairfield's own meditators. I don't know 
if this forum is representative or not, since I only know a few 
people now living in fairfield. 

Greetings, Billy Jim! No, not particularly representative, as to the 
bickering and so on -- there is so much Heart now in FF, which has 
really flowered into overflowing Love & Laughter over these past few 
years -- a true Siddhapura. I feel *incredibly* blessed to be here 
among so many wise and wonderful radiant beings at this point in time.

>For my part, I am a non-recertified tm-governor (Fiuggi, 1972), and 
student of ssrs - an extraordinary person who has stayed with me at 
my house and from whom I have received guru-mantra (rather than sahaj 
mantra). However, I am also a student of a Kagyupa Lama who is an 
adept of mahamudra and dzogchen. He is both a Kagyupa Khenpo and a 
Geshe (from Ganden monastery). He will be staying at my house at the 
end of this month for a 5-day retreat on practicing the three views 
of emptiness, tantra and dzogchen-kadag in daily life. Both of these 
gurus have given me profoundly deep teachings although in quite 
different ways. In this matter I have been most fortunate.
> Also, and perhaps in the interest of disclosure, I should add 
that I spent three years in a russian orthodox monastery, a tradition 
incredibly rich in yogic-like spiritual teachings. It was there that 
I learned some important yogic techniques - how to pray standing up, 
how to bow, how to sing and chant in four part harmony and how to 
drink iced zubravka vodka as a challege sport. - Not necessarily in 
that order I might add.

It's a pleasure to know you and to read your posts, which are 
generally to the point! Along those lines, I think rather than 
attempt to comment on your next paragraph below, I'll just take your 
excellent advice, subside into the radiant luminosity and shuck-the-
fuck up :-) *L*L*L*

> By the way, too bad we couldn't look deeper into the issue of 
advaita and madhyamaka. John Arapura, McMaster University has 
replicated Heidegger's quest for the origins of metaphysical 
recognition by examining the foundations of Vedanta and Madhyamaka. 
It is a facinating inquiry into the difference between logos (Vac) as 
the self-revealing shruti of Brahman and dialectics as the analysis 
of the world from the midst of its own flux (santana). 
> 
> Anyway, so much ... for so much thinking. Thank you for your 
reply to my post. 
> 
> May the dogs wail, and may the moon hum.
> woof woof arf arf
> 
> empty
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> 
> "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Billy-Jim wrote:
> > Have you read Shankara's vivarana on Patanjali's 
> > sutras dealing with Ishvara? 
> >
> Bill - You are wasting your time here. From what I 
> can tell, not a single informant on this forum has 
> even heard of Shankara's vivarana on Patanjali's Yoga 
> Sutras. Years ago on Usenet, I tried to strike up a 
> dialog on this subject, to no avail. This is not 
> surprising, considering that the most informed 
> respondents here can't even tell the difference 
> between Shankara's Vedanta and Nagarjuna's Madyamaka. 
> Judy Stein and Michael Dean Goodman proved, using 
> Nagarjuna's Four Negations, that Brahmna was devoid 
> of Being. Can you believe that?
> 
> Read more:
> 
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> From: willytex
> Date: 9 Dec 2004 10:31:10
> Subject: Shankara on Yoga Sutras
> http://tinyurl.com/29qv6g
> 
> "Shankara on the Yoga Sutras"
> The Vivarana sub-commentary to Vyasa-bhasya on the 
> Yoga Sutras of Patanjali.
> Translated by Trevor Leggett
> Routledge & Kegan Paul 1983
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> 
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