--- In [email protected], "suziezuzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Ron" <sidha7001@> wrote: > > > > My Guru said in Realization, everything is heard as OM. > > > > The dead Guru's can tell you this in their books, channelers can > channel a Guru that will tell > > you this, but a living Guru telling one this reaches beyond the > intellect. > > > I've experienced that for many years now. For me, ocean waves, rain, > wind, etc., are a clear sound of AUM. Does that mean I'm enlightened? > Mark >
I am not your Guru, I couldn't tell you. Interesting though because there are people with various experiences, possibly such as yours, then they declare themselves enlightened. Then they no longer move forward but should because they are not enlightened and think they are accessing other levels than what is taking place. Maybe they have heard their Guru explain enlightenment, then think, THIS IS IT. Maybe they have read fine details, then again think they have reached it. My Guru did just this but her Guru let her know that what she thought was enlightenment was not. My Guru said she would have stoped at that point if it were not for her Guru pushing her forward. My Guru further commented about one that I ran into that was declaring enlightenment- that this person needed a one to one relationship with her Guru and because she is not doing this, she is lost. The person laughs at this because she knows she is there so why bother. This my Guru would call a casualty.However, there is eternity, so no shortage of time, other opportunities will come about. I think there really is something to this. Yogananda was an example, his master confirmed his enlightenment, and probably charged him with the responsibility of being a Sat Guru. I have not researched which Guru's have this and which not. I am sure there are plenty for both. Ramana Maharishi, considered one of the greats was self discovered. Then this is a big incentive for many that jumped on the band wagon and said look at him, guru is no higher than me, for afterall, the Guru is what I am, so he didn't need a Guru, then neither do I. Yet Ramana said 100% that one must have a Guru ( for enlightenment)- (my Guru is the one that said that this is what Ramana said). I guess we can say that Ramanas pointings are dogmatic? Tanmay
