New.Morn - thanks for the clarification about the different San Diego Edu's. Unfortunately I only briefly corresponded with him in email. As far as his possible association with the TMO, my scholar-friend did not say and I did not ask Dr. Nelson in my emails. I've been waiting for word that he finally published something in book form. Perhaps I should try to email him again. Since you have been to his website, you know this already, but here are a couple of references for readers of this thread who might want to look deeper: "The Ontology of Bhakti: Devotion as Paramapurusartha in Gaudiya Vaisnavism and Madhusudana Sarasvati."Journal of Indian Philosophy 32/4 (November, 2004): 345-392. "Bhakti Preempted: Madhusudana Sarasvati on Devotion for the Advaitin Renouncer." Journal of Vaisnava Studies 6 (Winter 1998): 53-74. empty Emptiness without the ness is like Loch without the ness - it's sheer Lochless Help me o' nessy! - without you it's emptyless
"new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An FYI for Trinity, (and anyone else) > > For those interested in how krishna-bhakta manifests in the consciousness of an advaita yogin, an excellent resource to read is MadhusUdana Saraswati's commentary on the Bhagavad Gita. He interweaves a word-for-word analysis of each Gita verse with many quotes and examples of text from the yogasutras, upanishads and brahmasutras. He wrote extraordinary bhakti text such as the Bhakti-Rasayana but these have not been translated yet. Dr. Lance Nelson, professor and chair of the religion department at UC-San Diego, http://www.sandiego.edu/theo/facultystaff/nelson.php Actually its University of San Diego -- a completely different university than UC San Diego. Though both have stellar reputations -- and both sit on hills perched above San Diego -- but 5-10 miles apart. Both not to be confused with SDSU -- San Diego Sate University (can you say "party"?) -- which again sits on a hill, but more inland. Fascinating that Lance is at USD. I do not know of him -- but lived in SD for many years. Funny how such great resources are within walking (aka bicycling) distance -- without even knowing it. Does have any past TMO connection? http://www.sandiego.edu/theo/facultystaff/nelson.php told me in an email that he is planning to publish some of this material in a book but I haven't seen anything yet. > > The best translation is: "Madhusudana Sarasvati Bhagavad-Gita: with the annotation Gudhartha-Dipika" Translated by Swami Gambhirananda 1038 page quality hardback for $19.95 (a steal) published by Advaita Ashrama This book is available at: "Vedanta Press and Catalog" www.vedanta.com > > > t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, billy jim <emptybill@> wrote: > > > > I read your link. I agree with you entirely. > > The link in the link is worth reading. So, as an information to Judy, > the following might be instructive: > > 'As an aside, these authors are quite aware that their method is very > close to the madhyamaka approach, but they categorically assert > brahman as the only absolute, and still find fault with nAgArjuna for > not asserting the existence of one absolute.' > > http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/creation.html > > There was recently a thread in the Yahoo group Advaitin, regarding the > difference between the three major Vedanta philosophies: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/advaitin/messages/36214?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1 > > It led me to the following overview: > http://www.geocities.com/profvk/gohitvip/74.html > > The thread also mentions 'Madhusudana Saraswati' > who was an Advaitin, but also a great Bhakta. We recently had here > with Ron and Swami_G the discussion about Non Brahmins non being > admitted to the Dandi Swami orders. Well, that Non-Brahmins had access > to the 7 other orders finally, was due to the activity of Madhusudana > Sarsawati, who was also a great scholar, and this was also the birth > of the Naga Babas, the warrior sadhus. It was he who brought the issue > that many Sadhus where the victim of islamic faqirs to Akbar, who > suggested that Non-Brahmins should be admitted who could fight and > carry weapons. As a concession to the orthodox it was determined, that > three orders should be excluded from this innovation, among them the > Saraswati order. Madhusudana persuaded the Sadhu congregations to > follow Akhbars advice. > There was also an argument with Ron that Shivananda, > being a Saraswati, also initiated Non-Brahmins. I now have read that > this tradition has loosened in the south, so, yes Saraswatis in the > south can be Non Brahmins, but they can definitely not be Dandi Swamis. > > Regarding bhakti, Madhusudana Saraswati says : > > "Duality is Bondage before MOKSHA, and after Realization it is > wisdom ! The imaginary duality of BHAKTI is sweeter than even Non- > duality!" > > This may be especially interesting to Vaj who believes that MMY > invented Bhagavati Chetana. Nothing could be further from truth! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Bored stiff? Loosen up... > Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.