Barry, I love you infinitely, and IMO/IME virtually everything Judy tells you is true -- she must love you infinitely more than I do, to show that much patience and compassion with you; you are *supremely* fortunate to have merited and attracted her concentrated attention for as long as you have. I hope you are not squandering this opportunity of infinite Grace! :-)
*L*L*L* --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ah, Judy's back from another long, relaxing, > rejuvenating weekend away :-), firing off nine > posts in a row, each distinguished by...uh, wait > for it...I know it'll come as a surprise...her > "correcting" someone on this forum and "setting > them straight" about how the world "really" is > and what the "truth" about things "really" is. :-) > > Me, I just "think out loud." > > They're just thoughts. Opinions. > > And, as I've said *many times* here, I DON'T > KNOW THE TRUTH. I don't even *believe* in > such a thing as "TRUTH." > > I'm just thinkin' out loud, trying to figure > things out, rappin' about subjects that seem > interesting to me. > > And y'know...the fascinating thing is that > for the last few days, while Judy was away > *getting* all rejuvenated and refreshed, no > one here seems to have gotten upset at my > musings and at my attempts to figure things > out in my writing. No one accused me of trying > to "exalt myself." > > Could it possibly be because I *wasn't*? > > Could the real story be that Judy sees things > that way, and sees this phenomenon in other > people (mainly me) because she's projecting > what *she* does onto someone else? > > Again, I have no answers here, and no declarations > of "truth;" I'm just thinkin' out loud. But what > I *am* thinkin' is that a person who spends almost > ALL of her posts "correcting" others, and pointing > out where they are WRONG, DAMMIT, and then going > on from there to point out all the terrible things > that *being* WRONG indicates about their character > just *might* be doing a bit of "exalting herself." > > I understand. Judy seems to have the classic > inferiority complex that manifests itself in posing > as being superior. She chose a profession in which > she gets to pose as the expert and correct other > people's writing all day, every day. And then, to > "relax," she comes here and corrects other people's > writing all night, every night. The bottom line of > this lifestyle is that everyone else is consistently > WRONG, and Judy is consistently RIGHT. > > Cool, I guess, if that's the kind of fantasy that > gets you off and gets you over your feelings of > insecurity and non-worth. But it doesn't really > float my boat. > > So I think I'll continue to just "think out loud" > here, with NO declarations that my words have anything > to DO with "truth." They're just opinion, and pretty > second-rate opinion at that. I'd steer clear of them > if I were you. If you're lookin' for someone to tell > you how to live and what to think, I'd go for someone > who seems to enjoy doing that sorta stuff. > > If you're lookin' for a philosophy and a lifestyle > to adopt, and someone else's path to follow, rather > than mine, I'd suggest that you go with Judy's. She > seems to enjoy presenting it here, as if it's RIGHT, > and it may well be just the ticket to help you > become as happy and as fulfilled as she is. I mean, > look at what it's done for her... > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" <reavismarek@> > > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > The problems with believing in the stories, as you say, > > > > is that you can start taking them personally and then > > > > feel personally diminished when someone doesn't buy into > > > > them. And everyone chafes when they're made to feel > > > > small. First the war of the stories, and ultimately > > > > (maybe), actual war. > > > > > > Great last line, tremendous insight! > > > > > > Doesn't that just say it all? I live in an area that > > > has seen the "War of the Stories" for centuries now. > > > First it was the pagan stories vs. the Roman stories, > > > and then the Roman Church's stories vs. the Cathars' > > > stories, and then the Catholic stories vs. the Prot- > > > estant stories. And of course it didn't take long > > > for the "war stories" to become actual war. > > > > > > Even though I've poked a little fun at the Byron > > > Katie thing lately, I do have to say that if folks > > > in all of these times had done "the work" on their > > > stories to determine if they were really true or not, > > > they probably wouldn't have had to do "the work" on > > > each other with knives and spears and swords and > > > torture chambers and burning at the stake. > > > > And here we have yet another example of Barry's > > apparently limitless capacity for unintended > > irony. > > > > His flurry of posts this weekend geared to > > instructing us all in How to Be Really Spiritual > > Like Barry are all based on elaborate stories of > > his own devising in which he has apparently come > > to believe, but which bear almost no relationship > > to reality, particularly those about what goes on > > on FFL. > > > > It seems never to have occurred to him to do "the > > work" on his own many stories "to determine if > > they are really true or not." > > > > Just for instance, from another post of Barry's > > in this latest batch of rants: > > > > > It just explains so *much* about TM and the TM experience > > > and Fairfield Life and a few of the folks who hang out here > > > to me. Those of us who don't necessarily believe that TM is > > > "the best" say so, and the shit hits the fan. A few folks > > > just *have* to try to turn it into a debate, and "win." > > > And even if the person who says that they don't believe > > > that TM is "the best" DOESN'T make any claim saying that > > > *their* trip or philosophy is "best," that's what these > > > compulsive debators HEAR. > > > > > > They claim that people who merely suggest that TM might > > > *not* be "the best" -- or who suggest that there might not > > > be such a *thing* as "the best" -- are "really" saying > > > that *they* are the best. They accuse these other people > > > of "exalting themselves," when from my point of view often > > > the only thing the person did is say, "Uh, isn't your > > > position that you're 'the best' and your defensiveness at > > > any suggestion to the contrary a lot like exalting *yourself* > > > a bit?" They try to turn even the most civil conversation > > > and exchange of ideas into a debate, and then try to "win" > > > that debate. And when they do -- at least in their minds -- > > > they then move on to Phase II of the "Shankara tradition," > > > which judging from this website seems to be *gloating* > > > about having "won." > > > > It's hard to believe, but he really does not see > > how compulsively and consistently he exalts his own > > spirituality by making up stories about the behavior > > of others that are designed to contrast unfavorably > > with his own. > > > > Here's another especially egregious example: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "matrixmonitor" > > > <matrixmonitor@> wrote: > > > > > > > Of course, Vaj is the incarnation of the Buddhist Tantrik > > > > Abhinava Gupta, who was so jealous of Shankara (MMY and TM). > > > > Vaj, you should have regular exams to look for fistulas. > > > > > > I can't disagree with you here. :-) As I've said > > > many times ( and as Judy and others claim I'm "lying" > > > about and that they "see" the situation "better" > > > than I do :-), I really don't believe much of *any- > > > thing* is "true" or "Truth." > > > > Made up out of whole cloth. Barry fantasizes a > > whole alternate reality, then comes over to the > > real FFL to complain about it. > > >
