Rory uvaca: > > Of course it would, if we truly desired it; I believe I have > > mentioned here that I have time and again seen instantaneous > > manifestations of our desires on the global -- actually, universal -- > > scale.
"New Morning" uvaca: > My friends on Owsley acid used to see similar things. Can you offer up > any more validation of your subjective vision than they did (which was > not much.) Yes, I probably could, but truly, what good would that be to you? It's not about me, it's about you. Iraq is apparently a problem for you, not for me. The truth is, consciously or not, *I create and support ALL of it!* And so do you. That's what "Loving what IS" is all about, IME. Discover it for yourself, if you want, or not, as you please :-) > In fact, it's become pretty clear that all of us are operating > > from that level all the time, only usually it is in what we might > > call the state of "deep sleep" (but which we might also call the > > causal realm), so we remain unconscious that all this drama is a > > fulfillment of our own writing, direction and production :-) > > Again, a pretty vision and story. Any substantive validation? Validate it for yourself, if you wish to, or not! :-) > > And/or your wholeness swallowing particles > > > effect exercise to heal iraq. > > > > Everything affects everything else, IME :-) > > Yes, but it doesn't not follow that in any way that your wholeness > swallowing particles effect / exercises have any significant effect on > to healing iraq. Your visions probably make you feel good -- perhaps > it brings meaning to your life. But do you have any validation that > such mental exercises have improved the situaion in Iraq? The situation as it is, is perfect; *We are creating it all as it IS* -- and needs no "improvement" per se in this moment -- although of course, it is constantly changing and "growing" too, and that's perfect as well, in this moment :-) > > > As far as BK's technique, I have used it for several years, studied > > > two of her books, and I like her method and approach. As we have > > > discussed, I found it useful to quiet the monkey mind of > > > judgements.Though apparently, according to you and Tom, I have been > > > misusing the BK technique. A premise I see BK laughing deeply about, > > > but I take your word for my errors. Thus I have started to use a > > > offshoot method, thats works better for my interests. > > > > Would that be the Wok? :-) Truly, that was the most brilliant joke I > > have seen here in a long time -- pretending to be against tamas and > > inertia, while actually espousing it and loving it far better than I! > > I bow to the Master! :-) > > I am glad that you got something useful from it. I got something > different from you. But it is interesting to cough up something, and > then objectively look at it from different angles -- and compare notes > with others. Though your notes, your perception, doesn't "resonate" > with me. No, it wouldn't -- after all, you apparently want your "jail-house Wok" time to continue at any cost :-) >What I have gotten, and am continuing to get from the Wok > "manifestion" (upchuck in your view, I surmise) is a useful view and > perspective. It has made, for me, the universe come (more) alive and > connected. Yes, we have always remained beautifully "connected" -- i.e., in bondage, addicted -- to the outer phenomena: in the "cell-block," as you put it, as we have for so long obeyed your age-old and stale imperative "Don't love what IS" -- I really couldn't have phrased the ego's rebellious stance of denial any more succinctly than that! Again and again I cheer you on -- "Wok on, Jimmie Dean!" Rebel without a cause, indeed! :-) > > > And, as I have said before, IMO, I find that you have taken what she > > > says, extended it to fit your world view, proclaiming it to be her > > > approach. C'est la vie. But I may be wrong. In any event, either way > > > is not an earth shaking consequence. > > > > Not just the earth, true -- IME the consequences shake the entire > > universe :-) > > Will the universe shakes with every step you take. Surrendering to > Rory at every step. Not my trip, but glad it works for you. Surrendering to THAT at every step, and discovering that's US, Yes. THAT works for me. THAT will *never* be your trip, and THAT also works for me! :-) > > > > Perhaps this IS the > > > > new > > > > > physics. Stop the presses -- The REAL source of cause and > > effect has > > > > > been found. > > > > > > > > No, no, you were right, Richard -- your Wok is the way to > > go! "Don't > > > > love what IS, what is is the rotting corpse of God" -- priceless! > > A > > > > perfect recipe for continued denial and suffering! Talk about > > loving > > > > the status quo! :-) > > You seem to be mocking my view. And implying that I should have a > different view. Yours perhaps? If such (possibly)internal judgemental > dismissivness and imperatives work for you -- go for it. If that's what I am showing you, it does, and I am; thank you! I'm enjoying it all hugely from here; many thanks, again. :-) > > > I love your continued recasting of my most positive insights in > > terms > > > of suffering, denial -- with a wonderful snap of one-upmanship and > > > smugness. It is what makes you so endearing. > > > > Yes, you have reminded me that it actually IS a lot of fun to laugh > > at myself! (If indeed you're not laughing with me on this one.) I > > have to thank you for that too -- Again, I bow to the Master :-) > > I laugh a lot too. (thogh some see it as anger. Go figure. (or > translated to a more primal language, "WTF?" Yes, as I said, this is one more thing about myself you've shown me, and I thank you :-) > > >The persistence of your > > > story, your seeing denial and suffering everywhere. As you have > > said, > > > its all projection -- you can (not should) do the math. > > > > Oh, trust me -- You are providing me endless fun and delight and self- > > discovery! :-) > > I thought you had already discovered the farthest shore. Oh, I am not saying I have found you at the farthest shore, by any means -- you are much closer to my center than that :-) > > > And I appreciate your being a sounding board, for my, at first, > > > humorous antitode to the extremes of a BK view I read here. But as I > > > let the idea of the Wok unfold, it has provided some quite useful > > > insights for me. My view is envigorated. So thank you for that. > > > > You're very welcome; happy to be of service! And you have most > > definitely invigorated mine; many thanks for that :-) > > > > Love Us Always :-) > > Riding in front of the the crest of the wave of emergent infinite > possibilities Yes, yes! always *in front*! That's where we belong, right? NOW isn't good enough for US! We DENY Now! We're so Heroic, so -- so DIVINE! No, BETTER than Divine, if the Divine is stuck in that poopy old NOW! :-) -- not lamenting the dimished (aka"dead") part of the > wave already past. Nor Loving it, right? :-) I just wave good-by. If you stay "in the wave" it > passses by you. Leaving you with lots of tangled seaweed and sharks. > > As jerry once said, "You gotta keep moving or it will catch up with you." As Rory once said, "The horror! The horror!" :-) > -- Waving, with all affection.. Thank you! If we keep right on passing by, right on denying, what IS in favor of our dreams and illusions out in front, I'm sure we will keep right on providing ourselves with lots of playtime, lots of that same old story of *bondage & domination* forever! The jailhouse WOKS! :-) *L*L*L*
