Note, the chat was while I was in the ashram, I started chating with Tomas, who is an ex purusha and worked in Maharsihis house for the last 13 years. Swami G took over and chated directly with him:
Tomas: It is good to not have to many rules to follow Ron: the point is the grace comes from within, and therefore if one surrenders , then they do what needs to be done ... Swami G just said that unfortunatly rules are usually in place for those who dont follow the rules ... Swami G knows I am here chating with you Tomas Good greetings from me to her from the fallen monk Ron: Swami G said if you have questions, you can ask directly Tomas: I just talk to Yoram and he read what you wrote so he likes the thing, will talk more with him later Ron : swami G just asked about the comment you just made- Fallen from what? Tomas Joking - a ex monk tired of celibacy and all the rules Ron: Swami G asks ( as she is laughing) - what sort of identy is that? Swami G: Nasmaste and Om Tomas: Om Namaste Swami G: So you are tired of celibacy and what rules ? Tomas: You now all the things we learned on purusha Swami G: What is wrong with celebacy ? and what did you learn ? This is Swami-G Tomas: Ok Swami G: and ? what was learned ? Tomas: I do not know what I learned Swami G: then how can you rebel against it ? Tomas: But my desire to be a monk disappeared after 19 years as one Swami G: what changed ? Tomas: rebeled against it Swami G: and why the rebelion ? Tomas: I did something I do not want to do any more and I think that is good But I regret it Swami G: what is it you do not wish to do anymore ? forget regret - old history ... Tomas" I want to be free from all the monk ideas Like it is bad with relations, bad with sex bad with outer success and all that Swami G: in order to begin it is important to know where you are ..... Tomas: Ok I do not know where I am I am not a monk but not a normal man either Swami G: there is a difference in non attachment versus aversion - what is a normal man ? what is a monk ? are not both simply states of mind ? attachment of one type or another ? Tomas" yes it one type or the other Swami G: the path is to go beyond the external (outward) attachments or aversion. Consciousness needs no labels Tomas Yes I understand that but how to do it I tried with meditation for 30 years Swami G: labels are of the dual mind clinging to a persona which is held in place by ideas about . then perhaps the meditation was placed in a wrong direction ? ... not balanced Tomas My Guru teach us how to do it It is the same as Ron are doing Swami G: meditation technique and minds attachments may be many ... Tomas So you give different meditation to different people ? Swami G: the same technique may be given but the way it unfolds depends on the foundation in place. Tomas I understand that we are al different Swami G: basically the same meditation but guidance in order to aide it to go in a correct direction. Tomas My guru did not have time for that He had milions of students Swami G: the role of Guru is to bring light where there are shadows and coverings. To help to uncover that Truth which is always at hand. ... well i am not him. ... different Guru's work in different ways to reach that One Truth which is Unchanging and forever Eternally Pure. ... the Guru's job is to find out what hinderances are in your way and to help you to remove them. Tomas I had good result for some years with the medtitation And I got happines to work with my guru for 13 years but sudenly it was only emptines Swami G: emptiness in what way? ... there is Emptiness which is Full without obstructing collection ... and then there is worldly emptiness without value ... Tomas I get a spiritual feeling, fullness hapines by being around my guru and al that sudenly disapered and the only left is some kind of emptines ... I think it is a worldy emptiness Swami G: do not depend on a personality - holding to a persona in order to give you happiness as that is Never lasting . Tomas No have been thinking about that for some time My guru deliver some kind af a bliss drug ... and I needed it ... and then it was over Swami G: the Sat Guru is not a persona it is rather that Unchanging Truth of Being - it is this Truth which the Guru aides to uncover within your own Being ... ... the bliss drug is not it as you can see that is not permanent - therefore it is NOT the Realization of Absolute - it is a transient ... Tomas Yes I can see that now but when I got it regurlarly I could not leave Swami G: the path is to take one to the Bliss which is Unchanging which is rather Peace and Stillness - it is bliss as suffering is no more. Bliss may be blissful but may go even beyond that to a Stillness which is ever present. Tomas Yes I understand that ... but how to go there ? Swami G: are you still there ? or have you left ? why be attached to something that comes and goes ? find that which is Unchanging. Don't stop short and look for a lesser thing Tomas I feel I have spent all my years looking for it and now I am not sure I want to spend so much time any more ... Like I have given up Swami G: by listening to and gaining guidance from One who is there ... By Surrendering with the direction of a Sat Guru. it takes patience and willingness to move through all the states of consciousness that arise along the way. ... if you give up totally - 100 % Surrender it would be found ... the ME has not given up .... ... the Me is rather seeking it as an object ... it is never that . Tomas I have not given up fully, Still the ego is there Swami G: therefore it is illusive.... ... Exactly - ... when ego is there it is not .... ... Realization and ego cannot exist in the same time Tomas I know that Swami G: if you Knew it there would be Realization now Tomas Ok Swami G: the fact is you are still searching - Tomas Yes I am ... but not so much as before Swami G: do you want it ? Tomas Yes Swami G: then go FULL Dive into Consciousness Tomas How ? Swami G: hahahahahahahaha by finding a Sat Guru that can take you there .... Tomas Ok Swami G: \ then put 120 % into what is given Tomas I will let you try on Ron and see how he is aftewards Swami G: am not trying anything on Ron - this is not an experiment ..... Tomas Ok but I want to have an idea what you are doing before I go on Swami G: doesn't matter if 1,000 came before - what they get and what you get depend entirely on the one coming ..... Tomas Ok I can understand that but still Swami G: that is all .... Tomas Ok Swami G: but what ? but's are all cracked and smell .... don't want to hear but ..... Tomas Ok ... no more but Swami G: sit on the butt - when but arises then there is resistence ..... Tomas You can not expect me to belive you to 100% already Swami G: but this or but that means that one is only taking in partially and ego is still not willing to hear .... ... don't expect you to believe a me at all - Believe that which is Unchanging - it is that which in the end breaks through the darkness and fallacy .... ... you are still viewing Guru as some persona - as long as there is such a view then what you will get will be based upon your view of a personality - which means it will be judged upon like or dislike etc. Tomas Ok ... I liked my guru alot before but not I have mixed feelings ... but now Swami G: It is never possible to figure out what is here until one comes .. Tomas Ok Swami G: yes you are still in the transient dual mind. you are basing things on transients (that which comes and goes) Tomas But it is a long trip for me, I live in sweden - europe ... I am very much in the dual mind ... I am ignorant ... stupid Swami G: really - and Absolute is closer ? it is either here Now or might as well be as far away as infinity .... ... how much do you want it ? if this is too far then it is not wanted very much .... Tomas You are right we should travel any distance to get it Swami G: you put time and space in the way of that which is Beyond time and space ..... if you cannot even or are not willing to make such a small journey can you hope to cross that boundary ? Tomas You are right Swami G: good then don't put up false limits - Tomas But ( here comes the but agian) Swami G: limits are of the mind. ... stop but's stink Tomas Ok Swami G: hahahahahahaha Tomas I am a little bit burnt Spend all my life around a guru and are not so willing to do it again becuse the result was not so great Swami G: this is not the normal ashram here - there is no large staff nor established dogmas ... Ron (Tanmay) says there are just dogs here ... hahahahaha two ... ... then don't - your choice ... Tomas I want and I like what Ron have written Swami G: things are offered here - if one is not open then nothing may ever be forced ... one becomes only resistent .... Tomas I do not want a lot of rules any more Swami G: then get beyond rules .... rules are for dual minds that don't surrender within or without .... ... no one is constrained here in any manner except to have respect .... Tomas Ok ... I think respect comes naturaly Swami G: i don't give a rats ass about what you do - you can get it or not. Those who come are given the best that may be given what they do with it or not is up to them. ... respect does not come naturally to those who are egocentric .... ... even a simple Namaste they fight against. Tomas ok ... but this people normaly do not come to these places ( I think) Swami G: Ron is doing well here - he is in a deep meditative state during all times - there is no need for him to sit within a meditation framework .... Tomas I am happy for that We had for so many years meditation at exact time and length Swami G: he is finding that it is possible during all phases of life .... that one can enter into a moving meditation and that all actions done within the right way may lead to this Stillness..... ... you are confining it to what was .... be willing to move foward ... Things here are very relaxed. Tomas that is good I hope I do not have to be afraid for the Guru any more Swami G: there is nothing to fear here .... Tomas My Guru had a hot temper Swami G: hahahaha any Guru can have a hot temper when there is a purpose behind it ---- sometimes it is used to shake up the conditioned mind so that a release may take place..... Tomas Yes I understand that but many was so affraid for it Swami G: it may be used as a tool in order to aide on to move forward. ... then perhaps it was not understood or it was mis used ..... ... it cannot be commented on without having been there to know what was taking place.... Tomas I do not know but I wish I could have been more relaxed with him ... His closest loved him and feared him Swami G: at any rate the truth is you need to have a Sat Guru in place for guidance - as if you already knew the way you would be there .... eventually you will have to let go of this fear and be willing to move forward and trust ..... ... i am not him .... ... can't say what he has done only what is done from here ...... Tomas Ok Swami G: that is old history. let it go Tomas Yes I am more and more free from the old thinking Swami G: there is nothing holding that in place any longer except your attention to it - which continues to fuel the residule waves of emotional attachments and aversions Tomas ok Swami G: then quit talking about it - if you are free of it then it should not enter your mind . Tomas Ok Swami G: OK - Namaste and Maha Shanti OM Tomas Namaste and thanks for the chat Swami G: you are most welcome ... it is time to work on Tanmay (Ron) a shaktipat session..... Tomas Ok give him what he needs !! Swami G: Just sit with this conversation for a time and let it deepen .... see what emerges ... that is all ... Om Tomas Ok I will be in silence for some time ... Om ... Shanti shanti shanti Swami G: let it be so ... ... Omm ... 0
