--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > I had a number of heated debates with Charlie devotees. > > > Most of them didn't seem to care whether or not Charlie > > > was representing Maharishi's teachings. They considered > > > Charlie to be a member of the White Brotherhood and in an > > > exalted state of consciousness with direct cognitive or > > > intuitive access to the things he was saying. I think > > > Charlie tried to give them this impression. I always > > > argued that he was merely parroting things he had read > > > in esoteric books, but they didn't buy it. I remember > > > one guy arguing that Charlie was undoubtedly enlightened > > > "because he had been meditating 15 years." > > > > Let's face it...after years of promises and > > no delivery on them, TMers were just prime > > sucker bait. > > Charlie had a personal following long before > neganaughtery became the order of the day. > > They'd flock around *anyone* > > who pretended to be knowledgeable or who > > would tell them Woo Woo stuff they couldn't > > get from Maharishi or the regular TM teachers. > > You realize you just contradicted yourself > here, right? > > > Just look at the numbers > > of TMers who are impressed by someone who can > > zap them with a bit of minor shakti. After > > years and years of nothing, they look upon > > even the smallest something as if it's mean- > > ingful and the best thing since sliced bread. > > What numbers would those be, Barry? > > > And, before anyone comes rushing in to accuse > > me of "TM bashing" again > > You're TM- and TMer-bashing again. > > , this phenomenon is > > NOT limited to TM and TMers. It's across the > > board, in almost every spiritual trip I've > > ever encountered. People bring their desires > > to see and hear flashy stuff to the ball with > > them, and *of course* the teachers dance with > > them and tell them exactly what they want to > > hear. > > Except that above you claimed the TMers were after > the "Woo Woo stuff [TMers] *couldn't get* from > Maharishi or the regular TM teachers" (my emphasis). > > And you go on to make the same assertion: > > > And [the TMers] knew that they > > couldn't get this stuff from Maharishi or the > > "straight" TM teachers. So they flocked around > > Charlie because he made them feel all superior > > and special. > > Plus which, you're contradicting one of your > most-often-used mantras, about how TMers were > taken in by MMY because *he made them feel all > superior and special*. > > Now, in the interests of bashing Charlie and, of > course, TMers again, the TMers flocked to Charlie > because MMY *didn't* make them feel all superior > and special, according to you. > > You're trying to bash TMers, TM, MMY, and Charlie > all at once with the same stick, and you've ended > up in one of your usual rhetorical muddles. *Sounds* > good, but it doesn't make any sense. > > And people eat it up, because it makes > > them feel all special to know things that > > lesser, not-as-special-as-we-are humans don't. > > Did you ever ask yourself whether you might be > projecting this tendency on others because it's > how *you* feel, but not necessarily how > everybody else feels? > > I mean, it sure looks to me as though you're > describing your own repeated boasting about > what you experienced with Lenz: "I saw > levitation and golden light and all kinds of > other neat stuff and you didn't, nyah-nyah!" > The other thing I see here Judy is that Barry "dances in the dark" a lot, because no one has changed the tune playing for him in the Ballroom, for a loooong, loooong time. So on the receiving end for us are the same ol' same ol' tired stories, that after awhile we've heard many, many times before. Those who may be susceptible to the dynamics in these stories have long since moved on, or don't follow FFL, so its more about Barry's Lament on Not Having Made It Yet, than it is anything else to do with TMers, Maharishi, Charlie Lutes, spiritual seekers, Rama, others on here, etc, etc, etc.
Spiritual seekers go through this stage very reliably, consistently and unmistakably-- They have moved on from the samskara/sleep stage of life, having begun to awaken from the retread patterns etched in their synapses, to discover by bit by bit, fits, starts, and grace, all that life may have to offer. And then they get stuck, and after some flashy experiences, notice that they are bridging the old asleep ways, on the one hand, and "the promise of paradise fulfilled" (as a dear friend refers to it),on the other, though they are not really in either camp. So they focus their energy in two areas-- either rajas/satva, finding creative, uplifting pursuits that will continue to teach them, that they can hopefully learn enough from to be set free forever (Barry's "Road Trips" are a great example of this), or rajas/tamas, finding that aspects of the sensory world around them which they have transcended no longer holds much meaning for them, or value, and though they can describe it with microscopic precision, it is a symbol of their chains, rather than their release. (Barry's same old tired rants about traps-that-seekers-fall-into are a great example of this). How long the seeker remains in this *stuck* stage depends on how quickly they are realizing what thoughts and actions keep them bound and which set them free. Any technique which provides a regular and reliable means of transcending is a huge help in overcoming this stage of growth, if someone genuinely wishes to overcome it.:-)
