--- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > If Charlie Lutes said that it is just foolishness-- Had I heard > > him > > > > today my question would have been, "How does one so perfectly > > > > attuned with the Divine turn away from his own nature?". > > > > > > > > > I don't agree that Maharishi is "so perfectly attuned with the > > > Divine." I believe that Maharishi is very advanced and has some > > > spiritual 'powers'. But I don't think he's tuned to the Divine such > > > that he's immune from doing wrong [adharmic] things. > > > > It is my experience that anyone who is "very advanced" will not act > > adharmically, and do wrong. We apparently differ here. > > > Indeed we do. Maharishi does stuff that directly contradicts my whole > God-given sense of right and wrong and of what my experience of TM > tells me is such. > > > > I do not > > consider anyone who is still a seeker very advanced. It is my direct > > experience that Maharishi is no longer a seeker.:-) > > > That's self-serving circular logic, Jim.
Yes, I have never found logic, circular or otherwise to be much of a substitute for experience. Sounds like you understand that difference too.:-) <snip> There's nothing wrong with money per se. It's how it's acquired > and how it's used that comes under scrutiny with Maharishi. You CANNOT > purchase heaven with money. It doesn't work that way. OK, I wasn't sure what your earlier reference with regard to money meant. Yes, I agree that you cannot purchase heaven with anything other than good karma.:-) > (There is a very wealthy guy who wrote to > alt.meditation.transcendental in the recent past and told everyone > that he was paying for lots of yagyas to be performed for him to bring > him blessings and enlightenment. The first time the guy revealed all > of this, he came off as an unstable nutjob. A few months later he said > that all was peachy and that the yagyas seemed to be producing the > results. And he still came off as an unstable nutjob. Maybe the yagyas > were helping him somehow, but the transformation to self- realization > can only come from within one's own self. It cannot be handed to you > as an object. It cannot be purchased like a commodity at Home Depot.) > > There was a time when Maharishi made it clear that nature will provide > on the basis of inner attunement with the Divine. Clearly Maharishi > has turned that around 180 degrees and now pitches for acquiring the > money FIRST (instead of FIRST seeking the Divine) to ostensibly BUY > the Kingdom of God via his co$tly, often bizarre and often abandoned > projects. Those projects most often don't materialize, but where does > the mega cash disappear to? > > Money is one of the greatest tools on earth we have available to us > > for spiritual growth and advancement. I find it very strange to hear > > so called spiritually oriented people decry the use of money for > > spiritual pursuits. Similar to those who say that the ego must be > > killed to achieve enlightenment. Silliness.:-) > > > > > > Easy > > > > enough to do with clear intentions and enough > > practice; "Practice > > > > makes perfect".:-) > > > > > > > > > Like I said, it isn't about the TM technique, it's about Maharishi. > > > Advancement on the path doesn't mean you throw your brains out the > > > window and ignore the weird abberations in people's behavior, even > > in > > > Maharishi. > > > > > Fair enough. Now, what if the shoe were on the other foot? What if > > you could dictate *exactly* how Maharishi should act, in your view, > > with Maharishi listening to every suggestion you made of him, and > > following through on it? > > > All I have to do is to compare how Maharishi is operating with how > Guru Dev affected results, and to Guru Dev's standards which to me are > strikingly contradictory to what Maharishi is doing. > these things - no, my hearts screams these things to me, and has my > whole life - and I don't abandon my heart. That's where Guru Dev > resides along with Paramatman along with my God-given inborn sense of > the difference between right and wrong. > > > > Or if this ability were expanded to dictate how anyone else in the > > entire world would act; entire countries, heads of state, people > > past, present and future? Would you be happier, would that solve all > > of your issues and problems? > > > It doesn't work that way. And I'm not attempting to make it work that > way. I'm simply pointing out what's obvious to me. It's as if the > emperor has no clothes and NO ONE with any credibility will say it out > loud - even though many are thinking it and wishing to God that it > would somehow be directly addressed - as it's blatantly obvious and > blatantly in front of everybody's faces - unless they've been overcome > by the fog and ignorance of true believer syndrome and wishful thinking. > > And that's where one finds the apologists, the true believers who make > excuses for what's obviously aberrant. > > Or at the end of the day, would you still be reduced to... you? > > Dealing with you, and continuing to see the world as you always have > > seen it, dealing with the same issues you have always dealt with, > > regardless of Maharishi's, or anyone else's actions?:-) > That goes without saying for anyone, eh? But it amounts to a red > herring in this discussion about Maharishi's actions and how one > perceives one's self in relationship to Maharishi. That seems to be > the core difference between our views [yours and mine] of the matter. > > Maharishi made it clear at the TTC I attended that he is NOT anyone's > personal master. Of course at the time [1970], being totally > overwhelmed by him, I felt otherwise - even to the extent that when he > made me a teacher I reverently said to him that "I pray that I can > serve you well, Maharishi." He immediately retorted , "No, just > radiate Being." And he repeated it, "Just radiate Being." Great! Thanks for sharing this inspirational story -- It certainly explains my inner relationship with the man all of these years. I didn't know that you had been a TM teacher. Thank you for that-- a great great service to humanity. As for resolving feelings about who Maharishi is or was or will be, thanks for sharing what your thoughts are about it. I wish you speedy and eternal enlightenment, John!:-)
