> (There is a very wealthy guy who wrote to > alt.meditation.transcendental in the recent past and > told everyone > that he was paying for lots of yagyas to be > performed for him to bring > him blessings and enlightenment. The first time the > guy revealed all > of this, he came off as an unstable nutjob.
Is that Tom Pall? Tom used to post a lot here to preach about his latest round of yagyas. Tom is not very wealthy or even slightly wealthy in the true sense of the term, but perhaps appears wealthy to a lot of TMers because he has a decent occupation that pays well. --- "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "do.rflex" > <do.rflex@> > > wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > If Charlie Lutes said that it is just > foolishness-- Had I heard > > him > > > > today my question would have been, "How does > one so perfectly > > > > attuned with the Divine turn away from his own > nature?". > > > > > > > > > I don't agree that Maharishi is "so perfectly > attuned with the > > > Divine." I believe that Maharishi is very > advanced and has some > > > spiritual 'powers'. But I don't think he's tuned > to the Divine such > > > that he's immune from doing wrong [adharmic] > things. > > > > It is my experience that anyone who is "very > advanced" will not act > > adharmically, and do wrong. We apparently differ > here. > > > Indeed we do. Maharishi does stuff that directly > contradicts my whole > God-given sense of right and wrong and of what my > experience of TM > tells me is such. > > > > I do not > > consider anyone who is still a seeker very > advanced. It is my direct > > experience that Maharishi is no longer a > seeker.:-) > > > That's self-serving circular logic, Jim. > > > > > > Important to realize that Maharishi always has > in his heart to > > start > > > > people meditating, > > > > > > > > > You could have fooled me. Some of the decisions > he's made have > > > accomplished just the opposite. A clear, gross > example was his > > banning > > > of initiations in Great Britain. > > > > > > Some of his decisions about closing TM Centers > and some of the > > bizarre > > > projects he's promoted and abandoned have left > the public in a > > state > > > of aversion, to say the least. The King Tony > stuff is just nuts in > > my > > > view. > > > > > > Hell, I was a gung ho TM initiator for years, > but Maharishi, after > > a > > > while lost his credibility for me. I still swear > by the > > Transcendental > > > Meditation and it's source in the Holy Tradition > with Guru Dev as > > its > > > present spiritual representative. But I think > Maharishi has 'left > > the > > > building' when it comes to any connectedness to > the real outer > > world > > > with regard to 'spreading the teaching'. > > > > > > > > > > that those listening to him may be listening > for > > > > the first time, so there is repetition, and a > mini intro lecture > > in > > > > most of his talks. I agree with nablus too, > that there are often > > > > nuggets of gold hidden among the repitition. > Maharishi has > > taught us > > > > all a technique that stands on its own and > doesn't need the > > constant > > > > favor and inspiration of a teacher. Better to > grow bored of him > > if > > > > that is your tendency and find the treasure > trove on your own. > > > > > > > > > It isn't a matter of "boredom" to me. It's a > matter of spiritual > > > legitimacy. I'm appalled at his pitches for > money for example - and > > > the question of what happens to all of it when > he gets it. > > > > Spiritual legitimacy?? Why do you see money as > unspiritual? Do you > > think man invented money, absent from God? Is man > really *that* > > powerful? > > > No. There's nothing wrong with money per se. It's > how it's acquired > and how it's used that comes under scrutiny with > Maharishi. You CANNOT > purchase heaven with money. It doesn't work that > way. > > (There is a very wealthy guy who wrote to > alt.meditation.transcendental in the recent past and > told everyone > that he was paying for lots of yagyas to be > performed for him to bring > him blessings and enlightenment. The first time the > guy revealed all > of this, he came off as an unstable nutjob. A few > months later he said > that all was peachy and that the yagyas seemed to be > producing the > results. And he still came off as an unstable > nutjob. Maybe the yagyas > were helping him somehow, but the transformation to > self-realization > can only come from within one's own self. It cannot > be handed to you > as an object. It cannot be purchased like a > commodity at Home Depot.) > > There was a time when Maharishi made it clear that > nature will provide > on the basis of inner attunement with the Divine. > Clearly Maharishi > has turned that around 180 degrees and now pitches > for acquiring the > money FIRST (instead of FIRST seeking the Divine) to > ostensibly BUY > the Kingdom of God via his co$tly, often bizarre and > often abandoned > projects. Those projects most often don't > materialize, but where does > the mega cash disappear to? > > > > Money is one of the greatest tools on earth we > have available to us > > for spiritual growth and advancement. I find it > very strange to hear > > so called spiritually oriented people decry the > use of money for > > spiritual pursuits. Similar to those who say that > the ego must be > > killed to achieve enlightenment. Silliness.:-) > > > > > > Easy > > > > enough to do with clear intentions and enough > > practice; "Practice > > > > makes perfect".:-) > > > > > > > > > Like I said, it isn't about the TM technique, > it's about Maharishi. > > > Advancement on the path doesn't mean you throw > your brains out the > > > window and ignore the weird abberations in > people's behavior, even > > in > > > Maharishi. > > > > > Fair enough. Now, what if the shoe were on the > other foot? What if > > you could dictate *exactly* how Maharishi should > act, in your view, > > with Maharishi listening to every suggestion you > made of him, and > > following through on it? > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
