--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "BillyG." <wgm4u@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<shempmcgurk@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll bet (no pun intended) that alot of readers of FFL will 
> remember 
> > > that reference in Rig Veda about not playing with dice.
> > > 
> > > I remember it from my 6-month course in which we read the Rig 
> Veda for 
> > > hours upon hours.
> > > 
> > > Well, I just happened to be reading about "problem gambling" 
in 
> > > Wikipedia and on that page a reference is made to that very 
part 
> of Rig 
> > > Veda as an early reference to the problems associated with 
> gambling!
> > > 
> > > Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/yprkhk
> > 
> > Interesting, the story of the gambling Pandu's and Kuru's in the 
> Gita
> > allegorically have to do with the decent of Man from his 
awareness 
> of
> > Spirit (garden of Eden) to his identification with the senses, 
that
> > was the 'gamble' man took and as a result he was 'banished from 
the
> > kingdom' (of Spirit awareness) and held incognito (wandering in 
the
> > realm of the senses) for 12 years, symbolically.
> > 
> > Rig Ved: "Downward they roll, and then spring quickly upward, 
and,
> > handless, force the man with hands to serve them." 

I guess that's worth reading in the original Vedic saMskRtam
("saMskRtam"), too:

niicaa vartanta, upari sphuranti
ahastaaso hastavantaM sahante.

niicaa (downward) vartanta (they roll), upari (upward)
sphuranti(spring quickly) ahastaaso (handless) 
hastavantaM ("handed") sahante ([they]overcome).

The rest of that shloka(?) goes like this:

divyaa an.gaaraa iriNe niuptaaH,
shiitaaH santo, hRdayaM nir dahanti.

A.A.Macdonell's translation:

Divine coals thrown down upon the gaming-board,
being cold, they burn up the heart.








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