By the way, bill welcome to FFL. 

Your first post was in early June 2007. Perhaps previously you were
posting under another name. If not, and you are a fairly new reader
and poster, some today, have offered some good advise to new members:
read the archives a bit on an issued before making  strong statements
about them. Thats just advice, and common sense, not a law. 

Or simple ask, "I am new, what is the history of this issue. The forum
has been here six years, surely the must have been some good
discussion on this. And when I type "Guidelines in to Search" it
freezes up"

But Bill, if you are absolutely clear you know Ricks thinking when he
wrote the guidelines, and their intent, then enlighten us and we shall
follow you to the Promised Land. But I am guessing, you don't (know)
and cant (shed light).

Some history:

  The original guidelines, compose of the 15 you are referring too,
were introduce in around 2004. Sans #7 an perhps 14, which were added
later. The rest are the same I believe, with a bit of occaisional
editing. 

The ban and administrative sanctions on 35 posts were not added until
mid 2007, three or more years later.

But this new guideline was consistent with oringianl guideline "15"
which states, "If you want to make suggestions for the refinement of
these guidelines, please post them in the forum." 

That has long been the credo here. If you want to change something in
the guidelines, you are free to suggest such. If you make a compelling
case, and a majority or best a consensus is reached, Rick has repeated
said he will amend the guidelines. The original guidelines did not
come from lightening from God, on a mountain top, inscribed in golden
tablets. No matter what Rick tries to tell you to the contrary :)

There has been for years various discussions on amending the
guidelines. One such discussion led to Rick imposing the 5 post/day
limit. He did so without full consensus, but did so wisely, IMO.
Leaders sometimes need to lead, and not follow public opinion. 

Later, a discussion arose, suggesting that the 5 day limit be changed
to a 35 day limit. This was generally beet with opposition, some
derision, and sentiments along the lines of "don't fix what ain't
broke." The proposal went down in flames. 

(And actually turq and some other guy suggested a 50 post per week
limit at the end of 2005, but that went nowhere) 

The 35 post/week limit was introduced again, a month or two later.
Still no consensus. Still no majority. In fact only one person
explicitly supported it as I recall. Though less people strenuously
objected to it this time. 

Despite no concensus, no majority, no authority to do so in the
Guidelines, Rick, being bold and fearless, said he wanted to test it
out for a month. He did. It was a success. Virtually every one likes
the change now. 

Rick LEAD public opinion and created a strong consensus -- but did so
through a vigorous management style. He made the change BEFORE there
was consensus, figuring there was good chance there would be consensus
after the change. And if not, he could always go back to the old way.

i have recently been vigorously calling for the temporary suspension
of "flamers". Though flamers is not in the guidelines, it is my short
hand for, these guidelines: 

"This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone.
Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting.
"Speak the truth that is sweet" is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take
some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button.

My feeling is that this is far more of explicit long standing
guidelines than Rick had for the 5/post and 35/post limits. Which were
NOTHING. He acted without any authority given by the Guidelines. 

Given this history, and the long spirit of FFL, and Ricks management,
I feel that he has the administrative authority to temporarily suspend
people who repeatedly violate the Guidelines. 

The Guidelines as you say are a set of "requests". I believe they were
written in the spirit of politeness, humbleness, non-intrusiveness,
and in a non-authoritative tone.  That does not mean they can be
ignored. They are not optional, IMO. 

And if Rick feels that he needs sanctions from the guidelines to
administer the guidelines -- which seems redundant and  a bit silly to
me, then we can first discuss adding authority, in the Guidelines, for
Rick to administer the forum, consistent with the guidelines. 

Then we can discuss if blatant flaming is against the stated
guidelines, and if Rick should actually use his now guideline
authorized authority to actually administer the  long-standing
guidelines. 

Like I said, it sounds silly yo mr to do all of that. But if it makes
sense to Rick, go for it, Rick.

In contrast, I suggest Rick act boldly, as he has before, to
administer the letter and the intent of the guidelines, and try some
new things out for a month to better align the forum with the spirit
of the guidelines.  If they don't work, no harm, no foul. 

Give Rick the benefit of the doubt that he has common sense, and will
only try things that he thinks the vast majority of the group will
like, once they see the results. 

LET Rick Be Rick. He hasn't let us down yet. I doubt he will this time. 

 




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