--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> --- Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > This is an interesting post. It reminds me of a
> > question I've had a long time that maybe some people
> > out there can answer. It's about kundulini. What are
> > you supposed to do with it?
> >
> > Sometimes in my life when I've done a lot of
> > meditation, back in the days of TM or later through
> > other systems, the energy could get very powerful,
> > stopping just this side of scary. I had a friend who
> > developed burn marks the entire length of his spine
> > at a retreat I was on (when I was in the Ramtha
> > school). I saw the marks myself, and it was pretty
> > awesome.
> >
> > Kundulini's a natural force, so it shouldn't
> > really be frightening, and apparently it's necessary
> > for it to do its work for there to be complete
> > opening of the chakras. But how does a person
> > control the darn stuff? I've sometimes wondered if
> > the reports in history of people who mysteriously
> > "spontaneously combusted" were really about folks
> > who had spontaneous kundulini they had no idea how
> > to control.
> >
> > Of course I know the standard "party line" Indian
> > admonition, that "the student needs the master" to
> > guide him through the kundulini experience safely.
> > But I no longer buy that we have to give our power
> > away to gurus to unfold the divinity we naturally
> > are. I'm shy to experiment with kundulini on my own,
> > though, if I don't have a better idea what a person
> > should be doing. Maybe some of you eclectic
> > mavericks out there have got some suggestions or
> > answers.
> >
> > Bronte
>
> You make a couple of assumptions that I believe
> are not necessarily true. The first is that kundalini
> experiences are necessary for Realization. Most
> spiritual traditions and individual gurus do not give
> kundalini experiences any regard whatsoever regarding
> Realization. This includes MMY, SSRS, and Ramana
> Maharishi. Kundalini experiences are caused by
> "impurities"/stress in various koshas or sheaths that
> constitute individuality. By placing ones attention on
> these experiences and over-valuing them as "good,"
> they will increase in intensity and then you can be
> truly up that creek without a paddle. Regular
> exercise, sufficiant sleep, engaged relationships and
> a 100% focus on activity when engaged in activity will
> bring kundalini experiences to an end. Also, in more
> extreme cases, masturbation, eating chicken or meat
> (horrors!) and intense lengthy exercise will stop the
> intense kundalini experiences because it will shift
> your attention back into the gross physical body. What
> you "do" with kundalini experiences is ignore them.
> They are meaningless. Simply physiology of pure
> consciousness.
> Another point you make that I disagree with is
> that a teacher/guru is not necessary for Realization.
> You obviously have been burned by gurus so you have an
> aversion to them. Very understandable. But there are
> good gurus out there and they are needed for
> Realization. You may be "divine" but that is just a
> waking state concept until you truly are divine. Like
> the neo-advatians walking around out there, with no
> guru, doing whatever their bound individuality wants
> to do and stating it doesn't matter because they are
> pure consciousness. Utter nonsense. I think many
> peoples problems with gurus is that they think a guru
> is there to placate their psychology; to make them
> feel good. Many gurus do this. They have a sattvic
> personality like SSRS. Other gurus are not like this
> at all such as MMY. MMY has rajasic traits in his
> personality. But regardless of personality, that
> Blazing Brahman radiates from gurus. And that Blaze
> has nothing to do with your or their personality. And
> it is That which needs to be realized. And they are
> critical in this process. Just don't get enslaved to a
> guru.
>
I agree totally with what you have written; it conforms to my
experience also. Just a point about a guru-- Although I have studied
MMY for decades, the thing I liked about TM was that I could be
myself while practicing it, and it didn't come with a guru with any
kind of power over me. Rather, my study of Maharishi for so long
made it so that I intimately understood his thinking and perspective
on life, which is essentially transcendental, and this made my
transition from waking state to Brahman easily understood and
experientially easy. If I hadn't studied his thought, speech and
action for so long, I would've possibly had a more difficult time of
it. Last, yes, all of the bother and clamor about kundalini
experiences are more about a seeker's lack of integration than
anything to focus on, and should be noted and then left alone.:-)
