Speaking "from" being or more accurately, Being is
speaking.
--- Ron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I ask the same question- are the ones commenting
> here speaking from Being or about it.
> Not that your answer is proof positive of anything,
> I have been with Ones claiming
> enlightenment and it wasn't so, yet no way anyone
> can convince them otherwise
>
> It was explained to me that when one has a glimpse
> of samadi, or sidhis such as knowing
> whatever there is to be known, or other sidhis,
> visions, lights- this is developed way
> before enlightenment.
>
> There is a tradition where the guru works one to one
> with the sadaka- if the sadaka is on
> his own, then as has been seen many times by now,
> will declare himself enlightened when
> certain experiences come about, yet it is far from
> realization. This ends up to be a very sad
> situation as the sadaka will not progress any
> further without the guru being there.
>
> It was explained to me that a sat guru would not
> allow his disciples to be on their own to
> figure out where they are and what they need to do.
> If it is a real Guru - disciple
> relationship, the Guru will be observing to see how
> the path is being digested and what is
> needed to bring the sadaka to completion.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Two different definitions of mind is what is
> causing
> > this confusion. When Ramana refers to mind I think
> he
> > means the "I" thought, the source of the delusion
> of
> > individuality. I agree with hyperbolic here. In
> > Realization the death is of the "I" and "me".
> There is
> > just consciousness without any space or time
> boundary.
> > The "I" and "me" of waking state just disappears.
> Pop!
> > "You" can't locate a "you" any place at all. The
> mind
> > still functions though but now it is a subtle
> object,
> > not "you" anymore. That consciousness is what
> "you"
> > are. But now that "you" has no boundary and is
> > completely "transparent" and limitless;
> unlocalized
> > but not in space and time! Just pure awareness.
> >
> > --- hyperbolicgeometry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --thanks, I have that book; but he's incorrect:
> the
> > > mind doesn't die.
> > > An "I" associated with mind-identification dies.
>
> > > Mind was a medium
> > > by which the message of Sri Lakshmana was
> conveyed
> > > to David Godman.
> > > Therefore, it's very much alive. Also, shortly
> > > after Lakshmana
> > > realized the Self, he went to Ramana and handed
> him
> > > a piece of paper
> > > saying "I have realized the Self". Ramana then
> > > smiled in a silent
> > > acknowledgement. Again, mind was part of a
> process
> > > through which the
> > > message was conveyed. It was alive before his
> > > Realization and also
> > > afterwards. False identification died, not the
> mind.
> > >
> > >
> > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ron"
> > > <sidha7001@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Non-Dual Viewpoint on mind, levels, vision
> > > >
> > > > The following is a quote from Sri Lakshmana
> Swami,
> > > a realized
> > > devotee of Ramana
> > > > Maharshi, from "No Mind - I Am The Self; The
> Lives
> > > and Teachings of
> > > Sri Lakshmana
> > > > Swamy and Mathru Sri Sarada", (p.102-3) by
> David
> > > Godman.
> > > >
> > > > Question: What are the different stages or
> levels
> > > of the mind that
> > > one passes through
> > > > before realising the Self?
> > > >
> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: Mind is only thoughts.
> The
> > > more easily you can
> > > be without
> > > > thoughts, the nearer you are to a direct
> > > experience of the Self. To
> > > make the mind die you
> > > > must deprive it of thoughts. The effortless
> > > thought-free state is
> > > the highest level of
> > > > practice.
> > > >
> > > > There are no states or degrees of realization,
> > > there are only
> > > stages of spiritual practice.
> > > > The final stage of sadhana is this effortless
> > > thought-free state.
> > > If this state can be
> > > > maintained, then the "I" will sink into the
> Self
> > > and it will
> > > experience the bliss of the Self.
> > > > These experiences are only temporary; the "I"
> will
> > > continue to
> > > reassert itself until the
> > > > moment of realization. Realization can only
> happen
> > > in this
> > > effortless thought-free state,
> > > > for it is only in this state that the Self can
> > > destroy the "I"-
> > > thought. The "I"-thought, which
> > > > is the mind, must die completely before
> > > Self-Realization occurs.
> > > >
> > > > Question: How is one to make the mind die?
> > > >
> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind can never
> eliminate
> > > itself without
> > > the grace of the Self.
> > > > The mind is afraid of its own death; it will
> not
> > > do anything to
> > > endanger its own existence.
> > > > It is like the theif who poses as a policement
> in
> > > order to catch
> > > himself because he
> > > > ultimately wants to escape. SImilarly with the
> > > mind. The mind will
> > > engage in sadhana,
> > > > thinking it wants to destroy itself, but as
> soon
> > > as the mind starts
> > > to sink into the Heart, a
> > > > great fear arises which prevents the mind from
> > > completely
> > > subsiding. This fear is part of
> > > > the mind's self-defence mechanism, and you
> will
> > > never overcome it
> > > by effort alone. It is
> > > > because of this that you need the grace of the
> > > Guru. When you
> > > concentrate on the name
> > > > and form of the Guru, or try to be without
> > > thoughts, the grace of
> > > the Guru calms the mind
> > > > and helps it to overcome the fear which would
> > > otherwise prevent it
> > > from completely
> > > > subsiding.
> > > >
> > > > Question: Whyis it necessary for the mind to
> die?
> > > >
> > > > Sri Lakshmana Swami: The mind must die, there
> is
> > > no other way to
> > > realize the Self. Some
> > > > people say that complete equanimity of mind is
> > > Self-Realization,
> > > but this is not true.
> > > > Thius
> > > > is only a stage one passes through on the way
> to
> > > Self-Realizaiton.
> > > Other people say that
> > > > seeing the Self or God everywhere is
> > > Self-Realization, but this is
>
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