This looks like it could be kundalini awakening or attempting to awake - good to have proper guidance, this is not available in TM- it requres working directly with a kundalini master that has traversed the kundlini path from start to realization.
In case you have not noticed, I am in the kundalini path but there are also other such masters that are capable to guide. Kundalini especially is active around 3 3o am, if it is an on going thing and not ocasional, then this may be the awakened kundalini- it cant be switched off- it can be the greatest blessing or greatest curse- most likely the former when proper guidance is in place --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter > <brontebaxter8@> wrote: > > > > > > Off-World, this is absolutely exciting. I've always wanted to > talk to someone who was having red-hot, metal-melting kundulini on an > almost daily basis. I have so much I want to ask. So here goes, with > inserted questions below. (For anyone who missed Off-World's > fascinating post, I've also left the original intact at the bottom.) > > > > Off-World wrote: > snip > > It is full of bliss, all-power, bright light, emptiness, and fear > all > > at the same time. Very strange. > > > > > > Hmm. I don't feel fear or emptiness when I have the burning, > although I don't like it when I want to fall asleep. Can you sleep > when this is going on? >> > > > It is like a half-way sleep, sometimes asleep, often woken up, and > often aware of it during sleep. Sometimes softer, sometimes stronger. > > > > > > About the fear and emptiness ... what is it that's empty? What is > the fear OF? That you will burn up? I>> > > > The fear is of anihilation. It seems like anihilation, like something > else could take over that is not me, but I have come to the point of > facing that very powerful sense, and not fearing the fear so to speak. > > <<< have considered sometimes that if the burning I feel got much > more intense, it WOULD be scary -- I'd be afraid I was going to burn > up. Do you think people CAN burn up from kundulini?>>> > > I don't know. Part of what I am getting is that it could destroy me, > but I decided to not be afraid of that. I suppose if a person thinks > that they, as an individual, is important, then it defeats the part > of the purpose of enlightenment, which is letting go of ego. So the > paradox is that the fear is of annihilation, but humans naturally > have a strong sense of self preservation, and unless they aceept the > possibility of total annihilation of the soul, then they are still > atached to their own ego. It is normal to fear annihilation of the > soul I think, but I have decided that is a barrier to my evolution, > and so I decided to never fear that natural fear anymore. My one > weensy soul is not important to the universe, so why not risk it. > > > <<People who've died of "spontaneous combustion" -- do you think > that's what it was all about?>> > > > Not sure, could be related, it sometimes actuall feels like that > could happen, but I don't think this would happen with most people, > if it were a potential. > > > > > > My take on the fear thing is that while it's present with > kundulini at times, it is not kundulini itself but rather a person's > resistance to it, their doubting of it. By itself, kudulini is power > and fire and beautiful. It is the trumpet call that wakes the spirit > and calls the body to new life. Maybe that's what the angel's trumpet > call symbolizes in the Book of Revelations.>> > > > Maybe,and I think fear is necessary. You cannot annihilate fear. It > is natural to the universe. I heard Maharishi explain once that the > infinity is afraid of being annihilated by the point value and visa- > versa, so it is inbuilt into the dynamics of existence. The 3 in 1 > structure of consciousness (Being) is a direct result of this > reverberation as one extreme expands to the other, and back. I did > not get, nor accept, Maharishi's answer at that time(to a purusha > guy's question about how he was percieving fear within the > transcndent or something like that). In fact, I was annoyed by this > talk of fear, and ignored it. But now, I can see the importance of > it. It is a wonderful thing. > > So I am starting to think of fear as an energy, it is just that > humans and other animals use that energy as a tool of practical life, > such that it becomes ingrained as something negative. But we need to > pull back and see the big picture. It is an energy, and I think that > yogis learn to transform (not annihilate, or ignore) that energy into > power. > > Just a thought. Could be wrong though. > > > > The purification is like a hot metal rod burning, but it is > > not damaging or painful, only healing. Oftentimes (3 or 4 times a > > week), it fills most of my sleeping night with fire and bliss and > > neuronal purification, and I am often surprised how the world has > not > > transformed the next day. > > > > > > > > That is so beautiful. You're my new kundulini guru, Off-World. > (Guru in the good sense.)>> > > Thanks! > I'm no guru, and I cannot be sure it should be called kundalini. It > is very powerful and extreme and hits the brain like a bolt of > electricity, but bright and purifying. > > << Do you do anything to manage the energy, or do you just let it do > its thing? >> > > I let it do its thing. I have always felt it was a good thing (though > sometimes I was scared of the annihilation sense), and it ALWAYS ends > in a sweet bathing of bliss for and hour or more. > > <<Do you think kundulini can "get stuck" in a blocked chakra or other > body area? >> > > Yes, (if it is kundalini ) but what I get is always purifying, so > sometimes I feel it in different areas, but I cannot relate it to > chakras as such, but wherever it takes my attention I am just glad to > have it, mild or strong. > > <<<If so, how does that feel, and how do you unblock the river?>> > > I find there is not much I can do, since it is spontaneaou and when > it is strong it is a jolt to the brain that wakes me up often, and I > can sense where thare are very big blocks in heart or brain, but it > always seems to purify some more of that in a natural way. Of course, > if this is not kundalini, then I don't want to have kundalini, > because this is plenty powerful enough and I can't imagine anything > more powerful. I just let it do its thing and I like it. > > > > Well, the body must change completely. Every cell and neuron would > > have to transform completely to accomodate this bright burning > > purifying fire. > > > > Yes, yes, I've often sensed the destiny of this fire is to > consume my body as I know it and transmute it into an immortal one. >> > > Yes, and that sense of that immortal being that I get, I cannot even > call it 'me' at all. I just can't see that, and that is where that > fear of annihilation comes in. But I decided that 'me' is nothing > important, and to just go with it when it comes. > > <<<Physical immortality is certainly theoretically possible, since > all the cells are made of is energy, which is itself immortal.>> > > I don't think of the body anymore so much. This thing is so powerful, > that the body comes or goes is of no consequence to me. Body is a > vessel maybe, but not so important. You are immortal and no-one can > ever escape that terrible truth. > > << A body that "ran on" higher consciousness, that was "wired" with > high enough conscious, would not be subject to decay. The force that > makes this transformation IMO is the kundulini. It seems made for > that.>> > > I cannot see how my body could fully integrate this thing and > survive. I have expect to self-combust, but I now know I won't. But > perhaps people who are more used to it can integrate it. Maybe I am > just not at that point yet, and I am overblowing it as an experience, > but it is so much fun and bliss and enlightening, I hope I never just > get used to it. > > > > If his theory of the effects of consciousness are > > correct, then there is no way it is going to be a slow gradual > change > > over 100-200 years. It is exponential change, and the end of it > will > > be moving so fast, we would likely call it armagedon, but not in > the > > negative sense of the interpretation of the Bible. But as the Bible > > describes correctly there will be much extreme fear, and chaos and > > transformation of matter, but the absolute end result will be a > > higher level for all. > > > > > > I think that's where we come in -- the people who've already > journeyed a ways down this corridor (the people who've been > experimenting with meditation and consciousness-raising all their > lives). We are here to be the tip of the snow plow. We can make it > easier for the rest, when the transition comes, by creatively > visualizing how we want the transformation to me. Thoughts create > reality, and if enough of us picture this world change happening > joyously instead traumatically, that's how it will come down, IMO.>> > > > It is a jouyous change I have tried to explain, but on the surface it > could be like hell to those who have not experienced this power. > Think of it like this: If a massive and unprecedented gamma wave > burst flowed across Earth from deep space (which happens every 100,00 > years or so), everyone's brain would go into some kind of seizure, > but maybe a positive thing. If you had not experienced it then it > would be horrendous. If you had, then you would just hang on to your > hat, and hold on tight to your seat and go with it. Hopefull, it will > be gradual enough for people to adjust and get used to it and > understand it, but then again, I personally don't want to wait for > them. And since I as an individual I think of as any importance, then > I have to concldue that all souls are not important. Only the level > of consciousness being expressed in our part of the universe is > important. I do think that we ALL get purified and turned into our > immortal selves though (and that immortal person is not us, in a > sense) > > > > "Killing" or "dying" is an metaphor for the power of it. You > don't > > die and get put in the ground, but it will be as close to dying as > > you can get. That is my experience of it. That is why Jesus talked > > about being 'born again'. To not use these very strong dramatic > terms > > such as "being burned alive by the purifying bliss" would be to > give > > the listener the wrong impression. It is a great thing I think, but > > not necessarily fun on all levels. The image of the Balrog in the > > movie Lord of the Rings seems a perfect expression of what we may > > have to face in the end. If you are ready, and accept the fear, > then, > > like Gandhalf, you will be transformed. > > > > > > I don't remember that scene of the movie, but I grok you here. I > think we feel scared of what we don't understnd.>> > > > Exactly, and we are ultimately massive and powerful beings, but we > forgot that, and I think these god-beings have little to do with our > self-concept of most people today. > > > <<If a person can know that walking into the fire is a good thing, > designed to remake their body, not destroy, the fear is not a > hindrance and you can just dive in. >> > > > Yes, and then I think the fear becomes an energy that is useful to > you. It is still fear, but it is transformed to a useful energy. Just > like electricity can be used for good things, but also can be > dangerous in inexperienced hands. > > > <<Do you buy the stories you hear about kundulini being dangerous?>> > > > I don't know. I used to think it could be, and I still do in a way. > But I made a decision for myself that 'myself' is of no importance, > and that if it destroys me, turns me mad, or kills me...I don't care. > Once I made that realization I found it much easier to just go with > the flow. I think it will still bring you to that point on its own. > It is natural that it brings you to this realization I think. But the > decision is a bit mad in a way, since it is an extreme sacrfice to > sacrifice your very soul or sanity to the universe. Trust the > universe, it will not let you down. Go with the flow, and do not try > to push the fear away, let it in and accept it, it will become your > power in the end. > > > > Anyway, maybe it will be different for different people, but I > still > > don't see how you can get enlightened without facing great fear in > > your deep psyche, and transforming it into the energy it was > supposed > > to be in the beginning. Not fear, but energy. > > > > > > Said so beautifully, Off-World -- "the energy it was supposed to > be in the beginning." It was fear that railroaded this creation. > Kundulini may be the door that opens the world to the power of God. > IMO, the Infinite One had an original joyous divine intention for the > universe that never yet got realized. It's still lurking to manifest. > Kundulini may be the means. >> > > > Yes, but rememebr the fear is not bad, it has just become > misunderstood by our limited consciousness. Fear is also immortal, > and beautiful. Ultimately it becomes out our real yogic power. > > OffWorld >
