Yeah, just as I thought - my understanding is very poor - thanks for
the info Geoff.

As for the jrun / iis error trapping questions, jrun is crashing when
doing a verity update on CFMX enterprise - build is ok; which is weird
cos the create calls the update code!! So along with the file upload
error I have been thinking about error handling in gerneral - and you
have confirmed my thoughts on this - your stuffed. Which is not to say
this is a deficincey in CFMX - way out of it's control.

Anyhoo, I have put some error trapping into the verity code of farCry
to take out to site this morning, which I thought might not be any
good anyway (cos it is a jrun issue). The jrun logs have not been
helpfull so far.

On another verity issue - the collection delete was also returning a
(trappable) error. It was looping through the collections, deleting
one, then the array index counter would go past the end of the array.
I put a cfbreak after the delete in the contional match. I dont recall
seeing any issue raised about this before. Let me know if you are
interested in see the patch.

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 04:34:20 +1000, Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew Mercer wrote:
> > So how does this relate to error trapping in CFMX? Is there a
> > difference between standard and enterprise?
> 
> Not really.  Error trapping in CFMX is just like any other application
> error.  If its a webserver error then it never got to CFMX to process so
> no trapping.  If its a JRUN internal error then something has gone wrong
> beneath CFMX as it were -- you need to look to the JRUN logs to try and
> get additional information.
> 
> Can you trap JRUN and Web server errors from CFMX -- generally no.  This
> is because CF has not had a chance to process the request.  But both the
> application server and the web server have their own error trapping and
> or diagnostic options.
> 
> > In terms of robustness, security ... Is Tomcat/WebSphere/weblogics and
> > better solution that jrun over IIS/Apache?
> 
> Tomcat/WebSphere/weblogics must also run with IIS or Apache.  I'd say
> JRUN is pretty robust.  You're going to get just as cryptic errors with
> any of those application servers if not worse.
> 
> > Just did a quick bit of reading and it looks like tomcat is a plugin
> > for Apache and IIS.
> 
> Tomcat is NOT a web server plug-in.  It is a J2EE application server.
> There will no doubt be a web connector for both IIS and Apache (ie.
> something that lets Tomcat talk to the web server).
> 
> > Hmmm, maybe IIS is not such an issue.
> >
> > My concerns (probably due to a misunderstanding) are the relationship
> > / coupling of CFMX, java application server and the web server. From
> > an (CF) application point of view, what can a developer do do handle
> > jrun / webserver (internal error 500)? ie, what happens when the rug
> > is pulled out from under your feet?
> 
> Is this the file upload issue you were talking about earlier?  Can you
> replicate the issue in your development environment or does it only
> happen in production?  What are the steps to produce the error?
> 
> If this is really becoming an issue you should raise a support ticket
> with the Macromedia engineering team.  Generally once you get through
> the call centre and have your ticket, Macromedia CFMX support is very good.
> 
> 
> 
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
> 
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