>From: Ali Khanban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Abi Lover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],   
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>Subject: Re: [farsiweb]Farsi, heh, +, hamzeh, above
>Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:41:57 +0100
>
>Hi,
>
>It seems to me that these are all different shapes of one letter
><hamza>. But <heh+hamza above> is a mixture of two letters: <heh> and a 
>transformed <yeh>. It is not even a ligature, because it is not supposed to 
>be handled by font to write <heh+hamza above> instead of ><heh and yeh>.
>
>Best
>-khanban-
>
>Abi Lover wrote:

Letter forms like <vav + hamzeh> or <alef + hamzeh> are representations of 
TWO sounds and letters, a vowel, plus what linguists call a "glottal stop", 
which is represented by the hamzeh. Linguists have traditionally 
transliterated this glottal stop in the Latin script with an inverted comma 
{'}. Actually, the sound it represents is more often a glottal plosive than 
a glottal stop. In a word like <mo'men>, it is a glottal stop; but in a word 
like <mas'ul>, it is a glottal plosive. In the English language, this 
glottal stop (or rather plosive) occurs only at the beginning of words which 
begin with a vowel, like {a,e,i,o,u}, therefore it is not represented by a 
separate character. it is taken for granted. But in Arabic and Farsi, 
because it can also occur in the middle and at the end of words, it needs to 
be represented by a special character of its own. It is in fact a fully 
fledged consonant, and has its own distinct sound and alphabetical 
representation in the language. Thus it is not correct to say that all these 
different letter forms are "different shapes of one letter <hamzeh>". They 
are representations of different vowels plus the glottal stop. <vav + 
hamzeh> is a representation of the vowels {o} or {u}, plus the glottal stop 
or plosive. In <mo'men>, the glottal stop occurs after the vowel; in 
<mas'ul>, the glottal plosive occurs before the vowel. But in both cases, 
the shape represents a combination of the two.

Returning to the subject of <heh + hamzeh>, in this case the hamzeh is not 
used to represent a glottal stop (or plosive) at all, but by a centuries old 
convention it is used to represent the Farsi <ezafeh>, when it follows the 
letter <heh>. That convention has served the language adequately for 
centuries, and one does not simply change a centuries old convention by an 
arbitrary decision. Whether this particular shape can correctly be defined 
as a ligature or not may be open to discussion. A ligature normally consists 
of two or more letters of the alphabet which are physically joined together, 
like <la> in Farsi. A hamzeh does not connect to anything. It behaves more 
like a diacritical mark, rather like the French accent. But the principle is 
still the same. Just as it is possible to create a shape like <vav + 
hamzeh>, which consists of TWO sounds and characters, and which can then be 
parsed into its constituent parts using the correct algorithm in the 
computer, it is also possible to create the shape <heh + hamzeh>, which 
consists of two letters which can be parsed into its constituent parts.

Regards
Abi




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