> Fedora is claimed also to be a "community" project. If it is not, then 
> we should just declare this mailing list and the Art project closed and 
> stop using them.And just sit back and each 6 months when a new version 
> is released act as fanboys and worship the great powers that brought us 
> the graphics (you know, just like in the Windows or Mac world).

Nevertheless, user interface and artwork have a crucial impact on perception 
and acceptance of the final product by the user community and interested 
parties. It is too important to leave it solely to a bunch of self proclaimed 
artists. And from the submissions that I have seen [mind you, I am perfectly 
entitled to express my personal point of view even -without- being an art 
contributor myself] I am rather sceptical wether the "Fedora" developer 
community itself can provide the expertise which is necessary to design an 
ergonomic and visually appealing user interface.  
I suppose many users care much less about exactly which kernel version they are 
running than if the user interface is nice and functional.
"Fedora" is in the favourable situation of being backed by "Red Hat" which 
allows to help finalize the artwork by a graphics professional. And this is 
certainly not the least aspect which has made "Fedora" the success it actually 
is.
 
> I think John is upset because he was left to work and work on his own 
> design and nobody told him this is useless, even if people had known for 
> weeks how things are going.

Btw, we should he be upset when it was not even warranted that his submission 
would be retained at all? The number of postings to this list can hardly be 
considered a valid criterion which proposal to pick!
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