Hi João Does your Fedora server have external web access, ie does it have access to the schema URL http://docs.oasis-open.org/xacml/2.0/access_control-xacml-2.0-policy-schema- os.xsd ?
Regards Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: João Zamite [mailto:zam...@xldb.di.fc.ul.pt] > Sent: 13 January 2011 11:45 > To: fedora-commons-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [fcrepo-user] FeSL Problem - Error evaluating Request: > > > Greetings, > > I've been trying to get FeSL running on FCREPO 3.4.1 and I'm always > getting this Exception when services require authorization: > > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.PEPException: Error > evaluating request > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.evaluate( > DirectPDPClient.java:77) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:108) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:80) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:60) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.ContextHandlerImpl.evalua > te(ContextHandlerImpl.java:126) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.rest.PEP.doFilter(PEP.java:149) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.jaas.AuthFilterJAAS.doFilter(AuthFi > lterJAAS.java:270) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW > rapperValve.java:233) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC > ontextValve.java:191) > at > org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut > henticatorBase.java:525) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost > Valve.java:128) > at > org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport > Valve.java:102) > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn > gineValve.java:109) > at > org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdap > ter.java:293) > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process > or.java:849) > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle > r.process(Http11Protocol.java:583) > at > org.apache.tomcat.util.net.JIoEndpoint$Worker.run(JIoEndpoint. > java:454) > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) > Caused by: org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.PEPException: Could > not initialise the PEP Client. > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:111) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.evaluate( > DirectPDPClient.java:74) > ... 21 more > Caused by: org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPException: > Could not initialise PDP: Error loading bootstrap FeSL policies > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPImpl.(MelcoePDPI > mpl.java:95) > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:108) > ... 22 more > > > > When looking into the fedora Logs I find that we have this exception > occuring right after DBXMLManager is initialized: > > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:10.251 [http-8443-1] (LogUtil) 20110113 > 11:47:10.251 null > urn:fedora:names:fedora:2.1:action:id-findObjects FedoraRepository > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:10.292 [http-8443-1] > (FedoraPolicyStore) Loading > config file: > /srv/project-epiwork/fedora/pdp/conf/config-pdm-fedora.xml > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:10.375 [http-8443-1] (DbXmlManager) Loading > config file: /srv/project-epiwork/fedora/pdp/conf/config-dbxml.xml > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:10.380 [http-8443-1] (DbXmlManager) > Initialising > validation > ERROR 2011-01-13 11:47:14.653 [http-8443-1] > (PolicyIndexInvocationHandler) Failed to initialise PolicyIndex > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.PolicyIndexException > : Error > instantiating PolicyIndex > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlPolicyIndex > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.PolicyIndexFactory.n > ewPolicyIndex(PolicyIndexFactory.java:38) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.decorator.PolicyIndexInvo > cationHandler.init(PolicyIndexInvocationHandler.java:77) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.decorator.PolicyIndexInvo > cationHandler.invoke(PolicyIndexInvocationHandler.java:96) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at $Proxy0.putTempStream(Unknown Source) [na:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.management.ManagementModule.putTempStream(Ma > nagementModule.java:497) > [fcrepo-server-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.FedoraPolicyStore.ad > dPolicy(FedoraPolicyStore.java:242) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.FedoraPolicyStore.ad > dPolicy(FedoraPolicyStore.java:148) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.util.PopulatePolicyDatabase.a > ddDocuments(PopulatePolicyDatabase.java:124) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPImpl.<init>(Melc > oePDPImpl.java:73) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.evaluate( > DirectPDPClient.java:74) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:80) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:60) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.ContextHandlerImpl.evalua > te(ContextHandlerImpl.java:126) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.rest.PEP.doFilter(PEP.java:149) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.jaas.AuthFilterJAAS.doFilter(AuthFi > lterJAAS.java:270) > [fcrepo-security-jaas-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW > rapperValve.java:233) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC > ontextValve.java:191) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut > henticatorBase.java:525) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost > Valve.java:128) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport > Valve.java:102) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn > gineValve.java:109) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdap > ter.java:293) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process > or.java:849) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle > r.process(Http11Protocol.java:583) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.tomcat.util.net.JIoEndpoint$Worker.run(JIoEndpoint. > java:454) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) [na:1.6.0_0] > Caused by: > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.PolicyStoreException > : Could > not initialise DBXML: schema_reference.4: Failed to read schema > document > 'http://docs.oasis-open.org/xacml/2.0/access_control-xacml-2.0 > -policy-schema-os.xsd', because 1) could not find the > document; 2) the document could not be read; 3) the root > element of the document is not > <xsd:schema>. > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlManager.initCon > fig(DbXmlManager.java:330) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlManager.<init>( > DbXmlManager.java:76) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlPolicyIndex.ini > t(DbXmlPolicyIndex.java:97) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlPolicyIndex.<in > it>(DbXmlPolicyIndex.java:88) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native > Method) [na:1.6.0_0] > at > sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeCo > nstructorAccessorImpl.java:57) > [na:1.6.0_0] > at > sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(Dele gatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45) > [na:1.6.0_0] > at > java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:532) > [na:1.6.0_0] > at java.lang.Class.newInstance0(Class.java:372) [na:1.6.0_0] > at java.lang.Class.newInstance(Class.java:325) [na:1.6.0_0] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.PolicyIndexFactory.n > ewPolicyIndex(PolicyIndexFactory.java:36) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > ... 31 common frames omitted > Caused by: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: schema_reference.4: Failed > to read schema document > 'http://docs.oasis-open.org/xacml/2.0/access_control-xacml-2.0 > -policy-schema-os.xsd', because 1) could not find the > document; 2) the document could not be read; 3) the root > element of the document is not > <xsd:schema>. > at > org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseExcep > tion(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.error(Unknown Source) > [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.traversers.XSDHandler.reportSchemaEr > ror(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.traversers.XSDHandler.getSchemaDocum > ent(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.traversers.XSDHandler.parseSchema(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaLoader.loadSchema(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaLoader.loadGrammar(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaLoader.loadGrammar(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.xerces.jaxp.validation.XMLSchemaFactory.newSchema(Unknown > Source) [xercesImpl-2.9.1.jar:na] > at > javax.xml.validation.SchemaFactory.newSchema(SchemaFactory.java:591) > [na:1.6.0_0] > at > javax.xml.validation.SchemaFactory.newSchema(SchemaFactory.java:623) > [na:1.6.0_0] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.data.DbXmlManager.initCon > fig(DbXmlManager.java:322) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > ... 41 common frames omitted > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:15.293 [http-8443-1] (DefaultDOManager) New > object PID is fedora-policy:access-fedora-internal-call > INFO 2011-01-13 11:47:15.302 [http-8443-1] (DefaultManagement) > Completed ingest(objectXML, format: > info:fedora/fedora-system:FOXML-1.1, encoding: UTF-8, pid > : null, > logMessage: Fedora Policy Manager creating policy) > ERROR 2011-01-13 11:47:15.304 [http-8443-1] (MelcoePDPImpl) > Could not > initialise PDP: Error loading bootstrap FeSL policies > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPException: > Error loading > bootstrap FeSL policies > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPImpl.<init>(Melc > oePDPImpl.java:75) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.evaluate( > DirectPDPClient.java:74) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:80) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:60) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.ContextHandlerImpl.evalua > te(ContextHandlerImpl.java:126) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.rest.PEP.doFilter(PEP.java:149) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.jaas.AuthFilterJAAS.doFilter(AuthFi > lterJAAS.java:270) > [fcrepo-security-jaas-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW > rapperValve.java:233) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC > ontextValve.java:191) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut > henticatorBase.java:525) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost > Valve.java:128) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport > Valve.java:102) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn > gineValve.java:109) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdap > ter.java:293) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process > or.java:849) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle > r.process(Http11Protocol.java:583) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.tomcat.util.net.JIoEndpoint$Worker.run(JIoEndpoint. > java:454) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) [na:1.6.0_0] > ERROR 2011-01-13 11:47:15.305 [http-8443-1] (DirectPDPClient) Could > not initialise the PEP Client. > ERROR 2011-01-13 11:47:15.307 [http-8443-1] (DirectPDPClient) Error > evaluating request. > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.PEPException: Could not > initialise the PEP Client. > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:111) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.evaluate( > DirectPDPClient.java:74) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:80) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.EvaluationEngineImpl.eval > uate(EvaluationEngineImpl.java:60) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.ContextHandlerImpl.evalua > te(ContextHandlerImpl.java:126) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.rest.PEP.doFilter(PEP.java:149) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.jaas.AuthFilterJAAS.doFilter(AuthFi > lterJAAS.java:270) > [fcrepo-security-jaas-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilt > er(ApplicationFilterChain.java:235) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(Appli > cationFilterChain.java:206) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardW > rapperValve.java:233) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardC > ontextValve.java:191) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(Aut > henticatorBase.java:525) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHost > Valve.java:128) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReport > Valve.java:102) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEn > gineValve.java:109) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdap > ter.java:293) > [catalina.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Processor.process(Http11Process > or.java:849) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandle > r.process(Http11Protocol.java:583) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at > org.apache.tomcat.util.net.JIoEndpoint$Worker.run(JIoEndpoint. > java:454) > [tomcat-coyote.jar:na] > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) [na:1.6.0_0] > Caused by: org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPException: > Could not initialise PDP: Error loading bootstrap FeSL policies > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pdp.MelcoePDPImpl.<init>(Melc > oePDPImpl.java:95) > [fcrepo-security-pdp-3.4.1.jar:na] > at > org.fcrepo.server.security.xacml.pep.DirectPDPClient.getClient > (DirectPDPClient.java:108) > [fcrepo-security-pep-3.4.1.jar:na] > ... 22 common frames omitted > > > Can anyone offer some insight into what's going wrong and how > to fix it. > Is this a configuration issue? > > It seems to be a policy manager issue having problems building the > index. Also, I find it odd that pdp/database/ does not exists while > it's clearly stated in config-pdp.xml. And I'm also curious why > config-policy-manager.xml does not exist, since it was removed from > the developers repository some builds ago. > > Regards, > João Zamite > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Protect Your Site and Customers from Malware Attacks > Learn about various malware tactics and how to avoid them. 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