Thanks, Chris.  That improvement to allow separate enabling of AuthN and AuthZ 
had slipped under my radar.  I'll give that a try (I'm currently running Fedora 
3.4.2).  I'll also update the wiki documentation.

Concerning Adam's work: in fact, my question was prompted by a side 
conversation I've recently had with Adam on that very topic.  We hope to be 
early adopters/beta testers of his servlet filter.

I'll report back here on my experiments.

-- Scott

On 03/22/11, Chris Wilper   wrote:
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Actually FeSL AuthN and AuthZ are now separate options at
> install-time, so enabling one shouldn't force you to use the other. If
> you find that's happening, it's a bug that needs to be
> addressed...it's certainly not intentional. But the first release we
> did with FeSL included did force them to both either be on or off, so
> that may be a source of confusion if you're using an older version.
> 
> Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Adam Soroka has been
> putting together a non-FeSL servlet filter that allows Shib
> integration. I believe he's planning on having something available for
> others to check out sometime after the 3.5 release.
> 
> - Chris
> 
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Scott Prater <pra...@wisc.edu> wrote:
> > The topic of using Shibboleth for authentication and XACML for 
> > authorization has heated up again in our organization.
> >
> > Here is our ideal scenario:
> >
>
 > * Authentication with Shibboleth, Shibboleth attributes made 
available for use in Fedora XACML policies: made possible by servlet 
filters developed at other institutions
> >
> > * 
XACML policies stored as Fedora objects, inheritable rules, indexed in 
the resource index, cached:  made possible by FeSL
> >
> 
> However, it appears that if FeSL is enabled (necessary to get the 
new and improved version of the XACML implementation), then FeSL JAAS is
 also enabled, and so the Shibboleth authentication piece will be 
disabled or bypassed (right?).
> >
> > We'd like to 
have our cake and eat it, too, ideally without having to wrestle with 
developing a JAAS Shibboleth plugin.  Is there a way to separate FeSL 
authentication from FeSL authorization, enable the latter, but not the 
former? Thoughts?
> >
> > Some background reading:
> >
> > https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-577
> > https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FCR30/Fedora+Security+Layer+%28FeSL%29
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> >
> > -- Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Division of Information Technology (DoIT)
University of Wisconsin - Madison

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