On 12/19/2009 06:14 AM, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 12/19/2009 12:07 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Also... Even if we exclude these modules w/o providing them as
sub-packages, we ought to ensure that they're still pulled in by
perl-core (and perl itself, when we make the
perl-core/perl/perl-minimal switch).
What you say doesn't make sense:
1) They are provided as separate modules, by
a) CPAN
b) Fedora packages.
Yes, but 1a has always been true, and 1b has been true in the past.
We've generally opted to keep the bundled "core" modules as part of the
main perl package to keep user and developer expectations sane.
You mean the fact that RH has total control over perl-core enabled them
to push through this policy?
Feel free to waste your time to revert my changes and to enforce your
policy.
If the point is that the base perl modules get outdated, well, we've
successfully patched those modules forward when there is a good reason
to do so.
Successfully?
Right, occasionally somebody is wastings a considerable amount of time
on merging one, but besides this, your statement couldn't be further
from being true:
* Many Fedora's "core perl" modules are outdated.
* These "mergers" are the cause of having to waste bandwidth on
perl-core updates, where module-updates would be sufficient otherwise.
* Lack of "mergers" are the cause of perl-module packages not making it
into Fedora.
* Requests related to perl-core maintainers not tracking "poterntial
mergers" (aka "upgrade requests) is one cause of major
inefficencies/churn in Fedora's perl maintenance.
2) Since introducing the package split to "perl", package deps on
perl-packages in general don't make any sense anymore. It's the reason
why we are enforcing BR: perl(xxx).
Yes, but perl upstream chose which modules to include with "perl core".
If we decide not to package a module, instead deferring to the separated
package, we should make sure that the separated package gets installed
if someone installs the perl-core metapackage. The way to do that is to
add the hardcoded Requires.
No, the solution is to tell people not to use perl-core and to forget
about the fact it exists at all. Using perl-core is an anacronism.
Seems to me as if this is too hard for some people to comprehend.
Ralf
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