On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Paul W. Frields <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:58:58AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: > > I'm going to try to chime in from a Marketing standpoint as best I can, > > and am Ccing the Marketing list in the hopes that Those Who Know More > > Than I can speak about branding here. > > > > To summarize the conversation to date, both to catch up newcomers tothe > > conversation and to try and form a better understanding of this for > > myself: we have a naming collision problem. (The thread is at > > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-September/msg00010.html > , > > please correct me if I've missed/mis-stated anything.) > > > > The term "Fedora Community" currently refers to three things. > > > > 1. The community of contributors working on the Fedora Project (in other > > words, "us"). > > > > 2. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/, a site that helps keep > > track of who is packaging what, and what state those packages are in. > > > > 3. http://fedoracommunity.org, the top-level domain for a few (only 2 so > > far, it sounds like) local group homepages (such as > > http://ph.fedoracommunity.org/ for the Philippines). > > http://fedoracommunity.org itself is not up and running, but was > > supposed to be a directory for all such homepages. > > > > Needless, to say, this is confusing, particularly in the case of the two > > websites. What should we do? Should one or both of the websites be > > renamed/rebranded? If so, which one(s), and what to? How can we adjust? > > > > Some solutions proposed on the list so far: > > > >>>> One way we could solve this would be to simply include the page > >>>> listing at the Fedora Community portal site somewhere, as static > >>>> content. Ugh. > > > >>>> Renaming fedoracommunity.org is very ugly because people have been > >>>> accumulating subdomains there for months. Plus, the domain name was > >>>> blessed by Legal last year (when we were still talking about > >>>> "MyFedora") because the domain name helps make it clear that we don't > >>>> own the site, and aren't responsible for content. > > > >>> So it seems the only choice is to rename Fedora Community. I have no > idea > >>> what it could be renamed to. Right now it's focused on package > maintainers > >>> but we're hoping to expand it out more... > > > >> developers.fedoracommunity.org ? > >> makeit.fedoracommunity.org? > >> I think it would be a branch from the overall fedora community. > > > > My thoughts at this point are mainly questions - some of which have > > partially been answered in the discussion above. > > > > 0. What is the purpose of each website being discussed? (#2, > > admin.fedoraproject.org/community and #3, fedoracommunity.org) > > #2 - the portal project using the Moksha framework for roughtly > real-time, interactive collaboration between contributors; right now > it serves mainly packagers but the plan is to drastically increase > its coverage beyond that group > > #3 - a domain used to provide subdomains for local communities at > which localized (translated) original content, forums, etc. are > provided and maintained outside the Fedora Project; offers both > appeal from the perspective of native language, and the ability to > discuss and provide solutions outside Fedora's mission and scope > > > 1. For each of the websites being discussed, what were the historical > > reasons for choosing that name? (Pointers to wiki pages, list archives, > > or IRC logs would be great.) > > [[Local_community_domains]] is probably the most important from the > perspective of the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3). > > > 2. For each of the websites being discussed , what would the cost of > > renaming it be? (What effort would we have to go through, and how many > > people would be affected, in what way?) > > If #3 is only being used by two groups thus far, and if neither has > spent considerable money producing literature or publicity, renaming > that one is probably the better option. > > If we really want to know "how did this happen?", my feeling is that > I'm the person at fault here. I recall being not bowled over by the > naming of the portal project (#2) to Fedora Community, but I couldn't > think of why, and I simply failed to put 2 and 2 together with the > fedoracommunity.org domain name. I would say that there wasn't enough > interplay between the FAB list and Infrastructure, where #3 was > discussed and implemented, and Marketing/Moksha, where #2 was going > through that process. And putting those pieces together really is an > FPL responsibility. We have the Logistics list now to coordinate such > things, but didn't back in the winter when #3 was happening (and > probably #2 too). > > Having said that, I'd propose that we get in touch with the groups > using the fedoracommunity.org domain (#3) to find out to what extent a > renaming would hamper their community efforts. I'd like to do that > with a Cc: of an appropriate list -- Marketing? Websites? Logistics? > Other? > I believe all of the other Filipino Fedora Ambassadors will agree on me on this - we're agreeable to anything the Board deems fit for our local community domain. This is basically just echoing what Engels posted to the Board's list a while back [1]. [1] http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-advisory-board/256150-community-domain-request.html > > -- > Paul W. 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