Hi Richard,

I would second Tom's position... Knowing the amount of changes 
to be done, even if they are quite co-located,
I am also in favor of a branch...

Just my 2 cents, keep your branch in sync as much as possible... 

Maybe we could also delay other major work about restructuring
if any is pending... but since we just released, I would guess 
that we are at a good point for you to branch for a couple of weeks.

Best regards,

Olivier Gruber, Ph.D.
Persistent & Distributed Object Platforms and Frameworks
IBM TJ Watson Research Center

"If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it."
Albert Einstein






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Thomas Watson wrote:
> Advise from me on this topic seems a bit strange but I will give it 
anyway 
> since I have gone through this type of change to the Equinox Framework 
> many times ;-)
>
> In general we (Equinox) like to do all future development directly in 
the 
> HEAD because that is thought of as the latest and greatest.  For most 
> situations this is perfectly acceptable.  But there are times where we 
> need to make major enhancements and code restructure.  Since the OSGi 
> Framework sits at the bottom of everything it can become very disruptive 

> to make ongoing major changes to the HEAD while developing the new 
> feature.  For these situations we usually favor a temporary branch where 

> we can finalize the code without worrying about breaking the world that 
> uses the code from HEAD.  This way we can save our code while we work 
out 
> the details and then do a final commit to HEAD once it is ready.  We 
> usually do not like to work in a temporary branch for more than a couple 

> of weeks to reduce the amount of merging.  We do nightly builds from 
HEAD 
> and usually like the builds to be somewhat usable.  It is not acceptable 

> for us to go more than a few days with broken code in a N-Build.  This 
> means our code in HEAD cannot remain half-baked for long periods of time 

> (> 3 days would be unacceptable).  Not sure if any of this can be 
applied 
> to Felix, but thought I would share my point of view.  To me it all 
> depends on how many developers use the code from your main code stream.
> 

Well, by that standard, I would have to do a temporary branch, since I 
could not guarantee only a few days of breakage...

As I said originally, I was leaning toward a temporary branch... I can 
probably minimize some of the branching by doing as much as I can in 
trunk. I could even do the work side by side using a different file, but 
at that point it seems like I might as well branch.

Thanks for the input, Tom.

> Tom (that Equinox guy)
> 

Shouldn't that be, "that other Equinox guy" ? ;-)

-> richard

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> Marcel Offermans wrote:
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>> I agree with Felix and Karl to do the changes in HEAD now. Of course, 
>> you should always commit code that at least compiles, but HEAD is 
>> meant for development, not for taking daily snapshots of release 
>> 
> quality.
>
> Well, I would expect all changes to compile, since it is doubtful I will 

> commit something that wouldn't compile. I was more thinking about 
> breaking existing functionality. The overall time frame could be a 
> couple of weeks from when I start, depending on how much time I have to 
> focus on it.
>
> I can always hold off committing until I have it mostly working, but I 
> wanted to try to avoid the "big bang" approach.
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>> We should define the goals for the next release (assigning JIRA issues 
>> to the next milestone) and then start working on them.
>> 
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> Agreed. We did that for the 0.8.0 release and we have already started 
> for the 1.0.0 release. For me, we have two main targets for 1.0.0:
>
>    1. Require-Bundle
>    2. Security
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> I will add require-bundle to the 1.0.0 release in JIRA...I will let Karl 

> look at the security-related JIRA issues and add the ones that he thinks 

> are appropriate.
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> Other people should speak up if they want to voice an opinion about 
> specific issues that we should address and/or chip in.
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> -> richard
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