RE: Ginger's appointment

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Do you know the size of the needles you use?  I usually use 20 or 18 gauze needles for fluid (one is pink cap and the other is light blue cap), but the one vet gave with vitamin shots are so much larger – and I was not comfortable with it.   Ginger is tortoiseshell – I wonder if it has anything to do with it ??   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger's appointment   Hideyo, I use the tiny needles for everything, including the Vita B injections.  I don't know why you wouldn't be able to use them.  I have different vets for different cats/purposes and Gypsy's vet did send me home with the larger needles, I'm just not using them and have had no problem.  I do use the larger syringe, because she gets 1cc 2x a week and the 1cc syringes are too clumsy when filled all the way.  Gyspy is neg, Jazz and Grace are pos, there is no difference in the thickness of their skin.  I think it's more likely an individual cat thing. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Dear Julie, Thank you so much for your response.  It actually helps me a lot and I am so glad that you understand how I feel (that’s a price less reward) –  I think, I will wait – I can always take her, but right now, there is no reason to stress her. And I think and hope that Ginger will let me know somehow as soon as I need to do so.   That’s a good point regarding injection and diabetic cats – I have an older diabetic cat, Leo, too.  But the needless I use is very very thin and short compared to the one they use for V-B injections – they are much fatter and it scares me to use it, and I wonder if it makes differences, too.   Again, on a separate note, my Ginger’s skin is very thick (I noticed that when I was trying to give her subcud fluid the other day – I had a hard time to get the needle into her skin, which is very unusually for female young kitties – though I experience with some older tom boys).  When I mentioned it to my holistic vet, he said that it can be because of FeLV+ - have you or anyone noticed with your kitties, too? It doesn’t change anything for me and Ginger, but I did not know it and I am wondering if it’s true for your kitties, too.   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Julie Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger's appointment   Hi Hideyo,   It can be really hard to decide on a trip to the vet when kitty is doing well; especially if the kitty is feral.   I think bloodwork can be so important, though; it can alert us to very slight changes over time that produce no symptoms.  It's really a tough call; maybe plan to take her in a month or so as long as she continues to do well?    Sorry; I guess that's not much help, but I do empathize with you because I go through the same thing!  Anyone with a skittish animal does, whether they are postive or not!   Regarding the injection conversation you heard, I've heard that, too, but have not actually read the study.  I feel like something must be missing, however, because if it was simply the trauma of injection that was causing these sarcomas wouldn't we logically expect to see diabetic cats with a high rate of cancer?     Julie   Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After going back and forth, I decided not to take Ginger to her appointment yesterday after all.  She has been doing well, and I wanted to minimize any chances of stressing her if I could avoid it.  She is a feral cat, and she is extremely skittish and I guess, since she has been doing so well, I did not want anything to change that –   That’s said, do you guys think that I should still get her checked up by my vet?  Her tongue (Dr. Basko tells me that the color of the tongue can be a better indication of anemia than gums sometimes – especially, ginger has a darker pigment) and gum looks good – but I would necessary know how organs are doing except that she is just doing so fantastic and I am just so proud of her –   Also, one thing I forget to mention yesterday regarding what’s suggested by Dr. Basko is that to give Ginger VB12 and folic acid possibly twice a week –   On a separate note, I have a question. I was at an animal emergency clinic this past weekend with one of others kitties – and overheard the conversation regarding vaccinations causing cancer/tumors (which I am so aware of and do not vaccine any of my cats) – but I heard the doctor saying – “well, actually there was a test/research done on this topic – and what they found out is that cancers/tumors are not caused by vaccine itself, but rather by “injections” – they did testing with a control group with saline solutions and they still found cancers/tumors from the group – which concerns me now all of sudden with V-B injections – let me know if you have any insight on this -    "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! 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