Thank you for that info, I think today we start the litter boxes and some 
strained turkey or chicken.  They are eating up to 30cc a meal...and sleeping 
through the night- Thank God.  Anyway they have started to have greenish brown 
liquid diarrhea.  Anyone know what this is from, I ran a fecal at work and they 
were neg for parasites (I know they're not shed in every BM so I'll be running 
more) but in the meantime should I be concerned about the diarrhea. They're 
well hydrated and have no URI symptoms, normal temp etc.   At first I just 
thought it was a kittne thing, kinda like human babies not being well formed, 
but I read something online which got me a little nervous. Thank you again
Kristi
Yes, I am taking lots of pics, I'll try to figure out how to post them.  We 
named the boys: Syms, Sebastian, and Sampson.
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2005/03/06 Sun AM 12:31:15 EST
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: raising kittens???
> 
> Hi Kristi
>  
> That's wonderful that they were negative!
>  
> I've bottle reared a lot of orphans.  I'm assuming that a lot of this  you 
> already know, being a tech, but I'm giving a lot of info on formulas and  
> such 
> for lurkers or folks who may not have raised orphans before because kitten  
> season is just around the corner.
>  
> Generally, they'll start using a litter pan at 2-3 weeks (shoe box lids or  
> foil brownie or biscuit pans work really well) and when they're  starting to 
> lick your fingers, you can try giving them formula out of a  dish.  When they 
> get the hang of drinking out of something other than a  bottle (be patient, 
> it 
> can take a while for them to figure it out), then you can  start adding 
> strained chicken baby food (make sure there are no onions in it -  chicken or 
> turkey 
> are the easiest to digest), and rice, oatmeal, or mixed baby  cereal.  Start 
> off with it being a very thin gruel - mostly milk replacer  and meat, and 
> then 
> use the cereal to thicken it.  When they've been eating  that for a week or 
> so, then you can use either softened dry kitten food (I used  Purina kitten 
> chow 
> because it softened in water the fastest) or canned kitten  food.  The dry 
> worked well with kittens with diarrhea from the food change  and also 
> switching 
> from milk replacer to powdered dry milk (for people - which  is fat free) 
> helps with runnybutts.  Science diet feline growth (it may be  called 
> "kitten" 
> formula now) canned worked the best with the kittens I  raised.  Iams kitten 
> canned was too pasty unless I mixed strained  chicken baby food with it, the 
> science diet was dry enough to crumble into bite  sized pieces easily.
>  
> I usually started with the baby food and cereal at about 3-4 weeks,  switched 
> from milk replacer to powdered dry milk at about 5-6 weeks  (because that's 
> when they started to become lactose intolerant), and had them  off the bottle 
> completely at 8-10 weeks - or when they started biting nipples in  half or 
> pulling them out of the bottle.  Even when they were eating out of  a dish 
> and I 
> had them weaned to food with no milk in it, I still gave them a  morning and 
> bedtime (my bedtime) bottle to make sure they were getting enough to  eat - 
> their mom's would nurse them until they were about 12 weeks, but after 8  
> weeks, 
> it's more for bonding than nourishment - according to all the  books.  I've 
> found that the extra bottles, or at least the act of giving  them an extra 
> "easy" 
> meal without all the solids in their other food really  helped them to grow 
> better.  The ones who stopped getting a bottle as soon  as they were eating 
> out 
> of a dish and getting more in their stomachs than on  their faces and feet 
> grew at a about a 1/4 pound a week (1 pound a month -  roughly the same rate 
> as 
> if they were with their moms still), and if I didn't,  they grew at something 
> more like 1/4-1/2 a pound a month (12 week olds were  often still the size of 
> a mother raised 6 - 8 week old).  
>  
> Regardless of how fast they grew, they were still not neurologically  
> developed enough to know they "had to go" in time to get to the pan if  there 
> was 
> only one pan in the room or to get to one of a couple pans in the  house 
> until 
> they were 8 weeks old.  Until then, I kept a kitten sized  pan under every 
> end 
> table and under the low shelves of my aquarium  stands.  Basically, I had at 
> least one pan in each corner of  every room the kittens had access to.
>  
> Have fun with the babies!  Yours are getting to the cutest age -  starting to 
> run and falling over every couple steps, bouncing more than  walking... makes 
> me want to raise a litter myself!
>  
> Where there's Life, there's Hope
> 
> 
> Kathy
> 
> "There is nothing so strong as gentleness,  and there is nothing so gentle as 
> real strength." ~ Sir Francis de  Sates
> 
> 
> 


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