Hi Sally . . .Thank you so very much for this informative response.  Is it
ok with you if I forward this information to our other two members?

Both cats were tested with the ELISA, but not the in-house snap. .
.bloodwork was sent to our local lab.  I've talked with our vet regarding
the IFA test. . .but the real problem is finding housing for these two. . .
we're willing to pay for transport anywhere in the U.S. . . .I've contacted
everyone I know regarding fostering, etc . . .even offered to take healthy
cats to adopt in exchange for each FeLV cat . . .but everyone is in the same
position . . .too many kitties .  . . overwhelmed with rescue . . .we are a
small group . . .just three of us . . .we just don't have room to isolate on
a long term basis . . .  : (     . . .would love to find a home for these
kitties . . .There are still two shelters (who take sick kitties) I have
contacted who haven't responded yet . . .but shelter placement will be a
stressful situation for them . . .I've been successful placing FIV kitties
in the past . . .maybe my luck is running out.

I've tried to post Bobbie's picture on the FeLV site . . . but haven't been
successful.  Her picture is on our Petfinder website.  I have not yet gotten
a picture of Twila, the adult.

The information you've provided is fantastic . . .I so very much appreciate
your taking the time to write. . .I won't give up trying to place these
kitties until I'm forced to.

Sally Q

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> Dear Sally:
>
> Did the cats test positive on both an ELISA and an IFA test?  If they were
> just tested with the ELISA (the in-house snap test), this test is much
more
> sensitive to the antigen produced by the replicating virus so it can be an
> indication of an infection which may only be transitory and there is a
chance the
> virus can be cleared.  While this is more likely with an adult cat than a
kitten,
> it is not impossible for a kitten who tests positive early on to later
test
> negative. I have one who was positive at 6 weeks but retested negative a 6
mos.
> when he was neutered.
>
> If an IFA test was not done, I would strongly urge you to do so as this
can
> give you an indication of what stage of infection the cats may be in and a
> better idea as to their chance for long-term survival.  According to Dr.
Richard
> Pitcairn, there are six stages of FeLV infection.  The ELISA is 100 times
more
> sensitive so a positive result on this test can indicate the earlier
stages of
> infection as well as the latter ones. A positive IFA correlates well with
> stage 4 and up.  While it is possible for a cat in early stage to still
clear the
> virus, it is more likely an IFA+ cat will remain persistently viremic.  It
is
> not until stage five that a cat is actively shedding the virus and so
> infectious to others, and it takes repeated and direct contact with a cat
who is
> shedding the virus to result in infection. A cat persistently infected
with FeLV
> and immunocompromised is actually more at risk of exposure to other cats
than
> are healthy adult cats at risk from exposure to a cat which is infected
with
> FeLV.  Not all FeLV+ cats are shedding the virus, and it is not the
easiest
> virus to transmit...it does not live long outside its host.
>
> Kittens are most at risk of infection...not only because they have an
> immature immune system but because lymphocytes in a kitten produce 50
times more
> virus than those of an adult cat.  Kittens infected before birth by an
infected
> mom, or shortly after birth through nursing or mutual grooming, have the
worst
> prognosis for survival.  It is said around 50% won't make it through their
> first year.  Those that do may continue to do well until around age 2-3-4.
Some
> manage to live a relatively normal life span.  What seems to determine
this is
> whether or not the relatively benign FeLV-A subgroup of the virus, which
is
> the only form that is passed from one cat to another, eventually
recombines with
> the cat's  DNA and mutates into one of the more virulent subgroups.  The
> FeLV-A+B is the one associated with lymphomas and other cancers.  The
FeLV-A+C is
> the one associated with severe/non-regenerative anemia.  It is possible
for
> both mutations to occur and a cat to develop FeLV-A+B+C, which is the
worst case
> scenario.
>
> If both these cats are currently non-symptomatic, there is no reason to
> consider euthanasia at this point.  If they can be maintained in an
environment
> relatively free of stress -- and that includes such stressors to the
immune
> system as vaccines (which can actually trigger a latent infection into an
active
> one), toxic drugs and toxins in poor quality food -- and fed a good
quality diet
> (preferably raw-based) with some immune-boosting supplements, their chance
> for survival is much better than otherwise.
>
> Some of our listmembers have cats who are 6 years and older, some have
lived
> into their teens.  I lost my first FeLV+ furbaby at 8 mos. to
non-regenerative
> anemia...I did not know Purrsia was FeLV+ prior to that.  Her playmate,
Angel
> Eyes, who was, in retrospect, probably the source of infection, tested
> positive two weeks after Purrsia passed, but thrived for another seven
months, then
> suddenly crashed at  18 mos. and was gone 14 days later due to what was
> probably lymphoma in her lungs.  I currently have two more FeLV+ kittens,
a brother
> and sister, now 18 mos. old, who tested positive at 12 weeks and again at
6
> mos. and have remained stable and non-symptomatic except for mild
gingivitis.
> They are on a raw-based diet and immune support with Transfer Factor,
Oli-Vet.,
> Vit. C, and CoQ10.  My miracle baby, Purrki, was put on the same protocol
> from the day I brought him home at 6 weeks with runny eyes and horrible
diarrhea.
>  His symptoms cleared within a few days given some TF therapy, probiotics
and
> a homeopathic remedy for diarrhea.  He has retested negative and is
thriving.
>
> If you are not able to find a permanent placement for these cats right
away,
> perhaps you can find someone who is willing to foster them until one can
be
> found?  There is much than can be done to keep these kittys stable and it
would
> be such a shame for them to be denied a chance just because they have
tested
> positive.  There is so much ignorance and misinformation about FeLV.  Yes,
> the prognosis is better for cats with FIV, but being FeLV+ should not be
an
> automatic death sentence.  There is a liklihood the cats may not live to
old age,
> but it is not a given they will crash and die soon.  I do hope you are
able to
> give them a chance to know what it is to be loved and have a home for
however
> long their immune systems can hold out, and perhaps may be able to clear
the
> virus.
>
> Please keep us posted.
>
> Sally in San Jose
>
>



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