GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! it just breaks my heart --- I can't stand it - the only hope is that they are now at a better place with no cruelty.. but still - it makes me so mad and so sad.. and I just can't deal with these things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dudes Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: positives and negatives When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 2. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 3. Re: Importation of drugs (Nina) > 4. Re: Introduction (Mari Kolbe) > 5. Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 6. Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? (Nina) > 7. Re: Importation of drugs (gary) > 8. Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens (Del Daniels) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:13:42 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Help: Ringworm treatment -Blue star vs. Lamasil > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have tried lamasil and always go back to blue star > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/a5c3915d/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:16:47 EST > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > iodine seems very slow but works...... > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/20bec13b/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:35:49 -0800 > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Importation of drugs > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Gary, > My Internist's office has been very cooperative about helping me and > others get special FDA compensations for Interferon Omega, > (recombinant). If you give me more specifics, (the name of the drug and > company that manufactures, or distributes it), I'd be happy to put in a > call to my vet and ask them what they know. > Nina > > gary wrote: > > > Does anyone know what the FDA regs are on importing drugs for > > veterinary use? I have recently read an article about a study done on > > FIV+ cats in Italy and they used the natural interferon alpha and > > found it to be much more effective than the recombinant version. The > > study also referred to another test done with FeLV+ cats with similar > > results. I was given a link to a company that imports the natural > > interferon and it is quite reasonably priced at a box of five, 3 > > million unit vials for $350. The companies rep is not aware of what > > FDA regs there might be for vet use. You can import a 3 month supply > > for your personal use but I assume this requires you to fill out > > paperwork about your condition, etc., and probably a Rx. > > > > Gary > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/f9420857/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:37:30 -0600 > From: Mari Kolbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Introduction > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sandy C: > Greetings from yet another fellow Houstonian (what area? we are east side). > High quality food and immune boosting supplements will go a long way > towards giving Cotton the "fuel" he needs to gain weight and strength. As > you are already seeing - this is a great list full of members with years and > years of experience all willing to share. > We personally have been caring for leuk positives (and mixing with > vaccinated negative cats) for over 20 years. The same information that was > available to us back then is still circulating on the internet as "current" > and many vets are still giving caregivers the test results with a death > sentence for the cat. Thankfully, there are some vets who are listening to > their clients and clients who are refusing to take pts as the only option > (and we are sharing information on lists like these), so many more cats are > getting a chance for a longer life. Sadly, in our 20 years we have lost very > young kittens, but we have also had many who lived 10 or more years. > I think it is wonderful that you are one of the ones who didn't listen to > the vet and are willing to do all you can for Cotton. Feeding him the best > food you can afford and adding the various supplements mentioned, will go a > long ways towards giving him what he needs to become strong and healthy. > -- > /mari (SpiritCat) > Until there are none, adopt one. > SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees > of southeastern Texas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/3e0e7e30/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:49:22 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ast. net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have had 2 positive cats among a household of 13 and none of the other cats have contracted FeLV! One of my positives did pass away in June and the other was just re-tested and confirmed to now be negative! > > Chris > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Just curious: > > > > How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that > > one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into > > contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, > > food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or > > via birth). I am interested to hear what the results > > will be. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/7e9b5fd3/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:57:46 -0800 > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Chrissy, > Just because one tests positive does NOT mean that another will, even > littermates. I rescued 6, 2 1/2 week old kittens that I am sure > contracted felv from their momma. One of the kittens from that litter, > Tim, (now 2 yrs), has tested negative. I'm sorry to hear you are giving > up loved ones for adoption because you fear for your negatives, it's so > sad! I do understand your fears, I'm not even saying they aren't > warranted, it's just a shame that these babies aren't going to share > their lives in a home where we KNOW they will be loved and cared for. > When I learned that my bottle babies were positive, there was no choice > for me, I was in love and committed to them. They had already been > mixed with my negatives, (none of my negatives, who were adults and had > been vaccinated, ever became positive). They weren't going anywhere, > and I wasn't about to segregate them from the family. I wish you the > best, and I especially pray that Emilio and Frito find a loving > compassionate home. > Nina > > Christine Ott wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I just wanted to thank you all again for your kind words of support. > > My mother has taken Emilio and Frito's mommy, and she's named her > > Lady. Lady tested negative for FeLv, but we're worried that she might > > test positive once the virus has had a chance to incubate (again??). > > She's very healthy and alert, and probably no more than 2 years old, > > so we're hoping no matter what the outcome of the test, she'll have a > > long life. > > > > A recap/update of the situation: > > Emilio tested positive for the virus; on both the screening and the > > official test (Hardy test??). Frito was not able to be tested because > > she was whipped into a frenzy with the vet. Everyone has told me that > > since they are so "tight" and share bowls, groom, play together, that > > we should assume that Frito is also positive. > > > > Emilio is congested, but for the most part, not too plugged up. He is > > alert and playful and both he and his sister have become very outgoing > > in the weeks they've been separated from their mommy. > > > > I have so many doubts and reservations, but we'll be sending Emilio > > and Frito to The Best Little Cat House in Pennsylvania this weekend. I > > doubt myself constantly about Frito, in particular...what if she is > > negative? or what if she's positive, but one of those who carries, > > rather than gets sick from the virus? Am I doing the right thing?? We > > have five healthy cats in the house, but if I didn't, I would keep > > these kittens...my cats aren't vaccinated - and now I have to wait > > because they need to be retested....oi! What a mess this became, > > gut-wrenching and stressful. > > > > It's given me a whole new respect for the folks who work at the > > shelters; as well as for what y'all are doing. So many times, > > professionals just recommend euthanasia, and while, intellectually, I > > can understand (to a degree), I just can't do it, and I'm so glad that > > so many of you are giving your FeLv + babies a chance. The more of us > > who do, the more likely a cure will be found, I think. I hope. > > > > So, it's in that hope for a cure that I was brainstorming for a > > fundraising idea, and wanted to run it by everyone here. First of all, > > is there are good research scientist/institution who might be > > underfunded who could continue researching a cure, with more money? Or > > would any money be better off going to a shelter/hospice for sick > > kitties? > > > > I'm a freelance graphic artist and my mother is a watercolor painter; > > we were planning to collaborate to make a set of handmade Christmas > > cards with Emilio and Frito on them to sell...we'd donate all of the > > proceeds to a good feline leukemia cause (research or shelter). Do you > > think the idea will fly? Any good sales avenues to pursue? Craft > > shows? Online groups? Animal organizations? > > > > I was also thinking about other non-holiday merchandise, like > > calendars, regular greeting cards, etc. maybe with images of other > > felv+ kitties. I would be willing to work with any of you here -- if > > you wanted to send me photos of your kitties, help me promote the > > items, etc. > > > > Emilio and Frito's situation and all of your stories have touched me, > > and in many cases, broken my heart. I cried for hours after reading > > Mandy's story! I am learning about my own limitations, and I'm not > > sure if I have it in me to continue to do much in the way of hands-on > > stuff with the cats in my neighborhood, though I will try (it's > > getting cold and no one else helps them). In the meantime, I am > > committed to continuing to help in other areas, like fundraising. > > > > Please let me know what you think. > > > > Chrissy > > Trenton, NJ > > www.ottseetotsee.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:02:56 -0500 > From: "gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Importation of drugs > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > No, this in Interferon Alpha but is is natural interferon made from live donors, not the Interferon alpha that you can buy here which is made with recombinant cells. The recombinant is made from only one strain of cells and the natural stuff is made from numerous donors. It seems to work a broad spectrum antibiotic. It also had a positive effect on lymphocyte depletion which recombinant interferon does not. > > I could attach a copy of if the list allows attachments (176kb pdf file) or I could send it to you directly if you are interested. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:07 PM > Subject: Re: Importation of drugs > > > Are you talking about interferon omega, also called Feline Interferon or Virbagen Omega? A few of us have imported that, and we have all the forms in electronic version, and Nina's vet has put together a packet she sends out to anyone interested. Basically, the vet needs to send an application to the FDA for special dispensation. The FDA then takes a month or two to approve it, sends the approval to the vet, and the vet sends that to Abbey Vet in England with the order. > Michelle > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/9732c4b5/att achm ent.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:04:02 -0600 > From: "Del Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Iodine has cured my ringworm several times (don't know where I got it, but none of my cats had it then nor got it from me) but this time it must be a different strain as it helped but did not cure the RW. Lamisil can work ... again this strain it didn't budge it much. I've used a variety of things on myself and it improves without staying gone. > > Del > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hideyo Yamamoto > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:03 AM > Subject: RE: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > > > Will iodine actually cure the problem, or just stops itching.. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ---- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:19 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OT: Help ! ringworm in kittens > > > > My daughter really suffers cuase she is allergic to the blue star too so she uses iodine and benedryl for the itch > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20051101/39aa7f40/att achm ent.htm > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 > ***************************************
