Jen, You're a person after my own heart. If the human species were judged on how they treated the environment - not to mention other humans, we wouldn't rank so high in the scheme of things. I fell and broke my collarbone a couple of years ago. They gave me a pain-killer which I immediately looked up. I found that it had been tested at the University of Michigan by hurting cats. I wouldn't use it - even though the pain was excruciating when during the night I would roll over on that shoulder in my sleep.
Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > I guess one of my problems with animal reasearch (aside from the > obvious) has to do with the under-lying assumption that humans are > somehow "superior" just because we can add 2 and 2 and, therefore, > a few > petty conveniences or a couple of years on our lives is worth the > "inconvenience," torture, or even deaths of "a few measly animals." > Need I point out that if we don't learn PDQ how to live in harmony > withour surroundings (as animals have been literally dying to show > us for > some time now), all the 2 + 2s in the world aren't going to save our > collective butts! Perhaps if we were held responsible for every > singlepiece of trash that left our homes instead of forgetting all > about it > once it left our curbs, we'd think twice about our indulgent, > disposablelifestyles...but I digress... :) > > Bottom line, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the > subjectsin question were orphaned *children* being sold to research > facilities. But these are just animals, right? Animals that are > going to die > anyway, right? When one needs to rationalize the action, that > should be > a huge red-flag that perhaps the action just isn't right...many German > citizens turned their backs on their own Jewish neighbors because, > hey,"What can I do about it?" Thank God for the few who stood up > and said, > "This isn't right." But, then again, we're talking about *people* > right? Animals, living, breathing beings, forfeit their right to > be the > masters of their own destiny because they can't add 2 and 2. A > so-called "necessary evil" is still, by definition, "evil." > > Jen > > **************************************************** > "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be > unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the > world; You > become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de > Saint-Exupéry > > "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know > each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and > whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- > Chief Dan > George > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, March 27, 2006 12:17 pm > Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > The fact of the matter is they will get animals some where any > way...> Now, most of them come from back yard breeders that breed > animals> for just that market.... > > Perhaps if more shelters sold to research the animals that they > are > > going to PTS > > that would put some of the back yard breeders out of business.... > > > > If the business arraignment is to sell animals that have a chance > > for > > adoption > > than I too have a problem with that but if these are animals > among > > the 6 > > million > > per year that are out of time and going to be PTS and the money > is > > spent > > at the > > shelter so that they can do more good work than what is wrong > with > > that ??? > > > > And again, most research is done so the manufactures can back up > their> claim the their product is the best...NOT that their product > causes > > the most > > suffering... They want the results to be a happy ending... > > Not all tests are successful but for the most part they aren't > > going to > > waste > > their time and money on a test that they aren't pretty sure will > > work... > > Even if its testing for a cure for a disease and they infect they > > animaland then try to cure it or put to sleep and examine you are > > still talking > > about animals that were going to be PTS earlier anyway... > > > > Tad > > > > TenHouseCats wrote: > > > > > i do NOT admit to be totally up-to-date on this.... > > > > > > i have to agree that not ALL research is inherently bad. > however, > > in > > > this case, there's a BUSINESS arrangement between the shelter > and > > one > > > Class B Dealer--as far as i know, the shelter couldn't care > less > > where > > > the animals end up, they just sell them to the dealer.... there > > have > > > all been any number of hearings, public demonstrations, etc > > through > > > the years--the MI county that i am in was embarrassed out of > > selling > > > their animals to a similar dealer a few years back. > > > > > > i can most probably get updates on where the fight stands now, > > and who > > > is doing what--i'm sorry to say that i have NOT kept on top of > it > > > because i can only fight so many fights at one time. but i do > > have > > > local contacts with far more information and expertise than i > do....> > > > > > > > On 3/27/06, Tad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > > PLEASE...Some specific eye witness examples that other can > > visit and > > > bring attention to the local > > > sheriff will do ..... > > > What are they testing for ???? > > > What treatment are they doing that is so bad > > > compared to being kept in a small cage with no > > > outside windows for years...(many no kill shelters) > > > > > > Tad > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I hear what you're saying, but it's just not true. > There's > > more to > > > > research on animals than drawing blood occasionally. > Good > > grief.> > > > > > Gloria > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:36 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: > > > > > > > >> Why do people think research is synominus with torture... > > > >> >From Hollywood science fiction movies... > > > >> With the scrutiny that research places are under today > > > >> I guarantee you that most animals in a research place > are > > much> >> happier than those in no kill shelters... Think for > a > > minute about > > > >> Angel Wings Sanctuary... > > > >> > > > >> Every body yells about IAMS food because they do > > research...> >> But they have invited HSUS to do un announced > > visits....> >> I bet many private pet owners wouldn't pass as > > well as they do... > > > >> > > > >> What is the alternative for these animals... PTS ??? > > > >> > > > >> Technically they are a non profit so they don't sell but > > except> >> and adoption fee.. Isn't that the same difference ??? > > > >> > > > >> And what is the research consist of ??? > > > >> Drawing blood or tissue samples ??? Like we never do that > > > >> with our FeLV+'s... > > > >> > > > >> I spent a good part of my life working in a research lab.. > > > >> Not animals but computers... But to do good research > > > >> one needs to put the subject in a controlled environment... > > > >> Usually you want the test to work under normal good > > conditions..> >> Its the same with animals.. They are given a > > happy, no stress > > > >> environment so that factor won't cause problems and for > > > >> instance give them different food... > > > >> If I were given the choice of having to eat spinach or PTS > > > >> I would take the spinach... > > > >> If you can find some animals that are being tortured than > > > >> raise hell about that... > > > >> > > > >> I say if they are adopting to a research with the same > > > >> questions or home visit that they do with a private home > > > >> than what is wrong with that... Maybe it would make more > > > >> sense that they do that... > > > >> > > > >> Shelters have their limits... That's why millions of > animals> > >> have to be PTS every year just because there is > no body to > > > >> give them a home... Keep the pressure on to enforce all > > people> >> that care for animals... Like the dogs chained to > > the back porch > > > >> 24/7 who gets some attention on nice days only.... > > > >> > > > >> Tad > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> After getting frantic "pleas" for animals In Ingham > > County, Mi. > > > >>> several years ago, I learned "all about" this policy > that > > many> >>> shelters in Michigan have regarding selling animals > > to research > > > >>> facilities........ > > > >>> IT MAKES ME SICK!!! > > > >>> They claim they do it for revenue, to keep operating. A > > > "necessary > > > >>> evil". That the cost of euthanasia/cremation would be too > > > much of a > > > >>> financial burden. > > > >>> > > > >>> My opinion of that "lame" statement - Bull Sh*t!!!! > > > >>> > > > >>> Seriously, it's nothing more tha greed and ignorance and > > > arrogance, > > > >>> that's all. > > > >>> > > > >>> I've worked with many very poor rural shelters, many > in the > > > south. > > > >>> And, when I say "poor", these areas are so poor, it > makes > > me feel > > > >>> like I am living in Beverly Hills. > > > >>> However, these rural, understaffed, overcrowded > shelters > > DO NOT > > > >>> resort to selling animals for $$$$$ > > > >>> > > > >>> AND - Guess why???? > > > >>> Because it is NOT allowed in these states, along with many > > > others. > > > >>> Yep, it's been considered "illegal" to sell pound > seizures.> > >>> Google, and you will see which states STILL > allow this > > atrocity!!> >>> Mind-boggling! > > > >>> We don't need to use animals for research.... Egads, > > where is all > > > >>> this "new" testing technology??? > > > >>> > > > >>> My point, it is still LEGAL in Michigan....(and other > > states).> >>> Something needs to be done on the legislative > > level to STOP THIS > > > >>> ATROCITY!!!! > > > >>> > > > >>> So, Michigan residents, FIGHT!!! Speak your voice! Write > > > letters! > > > >>> Join AAVS or NAVS!! Start a "grass roots" > > > campaign...... NEVER SAY > > > >>> NEVER!!! > > > >>> This MUST stop! > > > >>> > > > >>> What a sad reflection of the society we live in. > > > >>> Makes me so very ashamed.......... > > > >>> > > > >>> Patti > > > >>> [] > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > MaryChristine > > > > > > AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats > > > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ICQ: 289856892 > > > > > > >
