These mats are poisonous to cats? Do you mean if they are ingested or just in
the room?
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Kelly L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 03:55 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
Just got back from the vets. Tiger is recovering from the surgery, he is here
in my ICU....It is those big square mats that look like puzzle edges to put
together, they also come in colors,,,,Floor mats. I wil scan the picture and
email them,,the one from last year and the ones from this year,
Very expensive mats,,,,,,,
Kelly
What is the story with the mats? I know Mai Mai was deathly ill after eating
and throwing up a hand warmer cover but I haven't heard about foam mats.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
----- Original Message -----
From: Kelly L
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
At 03:19 PM 11/18/2006, you wrote:
I agree.. I did not know how dangerous those foam mats from Costco are....My
Tiger has just had his second surgery, the mats are gone,,my pocketbook is dry,
We are all here to share and help each other,,
Kelly
Please know that no one is picking on you. We are asking so many questions
out of total concern for you and your little ones. Each of use brings some
different experiences to the table. I was never very aware of the dangers of
philodendrons with cats until Dixie started showing some interest in house
plants. No other cat had. Needless to say, I am having to re-home some plants
I really like. Today she reacted very badly to a cologne a friend had
on...........she wanted nothing to do with him and she is a very social cat.
She even hissed at him and, in the almost two years I have known her, I have
never heard her hiss at a person. Arsenic is organic as are a large number of
poisons. And people have awful reactions to somethings like new carpet fumes
or glues. ls it possible that someone has used an insecticide or something
that you would not know about?
We all know how much you love your cats and what good care you take of them.
Please don't take any of the questions or comments wrong.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Hoffman
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
It is very easy to get paranoid with FIP. I always worry about it if
someone misses a meal or seems to be sleeping more than usual. But don't let
yourself be so convinced that everyone who has died in the past month or two or
three is the result of FIP. I think you have something else going on. Some
may have had FIP but others? Keep looking. I think there is more to it.
Dry FIP usually takes at least 2-4 months from the first little sign of
trouble -- lethargy, loss of appetite -- before the cat dies. Weight loss is
gradual. At the end the cat is truly anorexic in appearance but it takes time
to get there. Neurological signs do not occur in all cases. And it is highly
unusual to lose so many in such a short period of time. Not unheard of but
rare and usually involving a commercial cattery with a lot of questionable
breeding practices.
You need to start doing a necropsy on everyone who dies. That is the only
way you can be certain if it was dry FIP. Until then, don't make that
assumption. Otherwise you may miss something that is treatable or preventable.
Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Susan, none of my cats had a rapid onset of the illness I knew that
something was wrong with Naomi before my vet event thought something was wrong
for about two months.. she thought it was nutricious thing but she never
really got that big.. it was very subtle, and chronic.. and the same was Dharma
they ate okay, and move around just fine.. just not as active as a kitten
should be.. if you know what I mean.. Dharma was doing very well when Naomi was
sick, but gradually she became a bit inactive and started running low grade
fever, and her pupils size got a little bit irregular size.. and finally I
took her to the doctor as I felt that it was not just URIs and did blood work
thats when she shows moderately anemic, high globulin and I started on
interferon right away just in case it was FIP..
Peters illness was not acute either
I just failed to notice something was wrong with Peter since I was so busy
watching Naomi he had lost lots of weight by the time I noticed that
something war wrong . it was not acute, but very subtle until towards end and
did not know it if I had paid more attention to Peter, things might have been
different as he was a little bit older boy and may be there was a better chance
to save his life with interferon and I kick mysef for that all the time - it
makes me so bad when I think of it.. and the same thing for Olive, it was not
acute on set she was feral and used to hide all the time, and she had a long
hair, and did not know that she was getting sick .. again, I was too busy
watching Dharma and did not notice Olives illness her liver values elevated,
and it must have taken a few weeks to get that bad and again,, I failed to
see it
just to me Peters and Olives illness were very sudden and quick, but
they really werent if I had paid more attention to
them, I would have noticed them at least a couple of months ago.. rikkis
illness were very chronic.. I noticed several months ago he had been losing
weight as Peter did.. I first thought it was either liver or kidney - -but
blood work was not indicating neither only thing was high globulin and
moderaly anemic but again a lot of my cats have been.. and rikki is an older
kitty so I was hoping that he did not have FIP and still dont know for sure..
I am sorry Susan, if I did not describe their conditions well now I hope
it makes sense to you..why I have been saying that it is FIP that killing my
babies.
now I am dealing with two kitties who are less than 1 year old Tony and
Lizzy (she is my bottle baby) started showing some similar signs as Naomi and
Dharma originally did Lizzy is 6 months old but she only weight 3.10 lb but
did not worry about her as she has been very active.. but she has URIs that she
cant get rid of. She has lost some weights and Tony has started with sneeze
and low grade fever, letharzy for the past week or two.. I am not convinced
that they have FIP right now no neurological sign or anything it might be
pre-FIP stagewho knows.. but as you may notice, I am paranoid. .so I started
on FOI right away hoping that we can get rid of any viral stuff going on in
them..
Hideyo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
Hoffman
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 12:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: another despair - prayer for Rikki - ARF/FIP?
Dry FIP is very hard to diagnose because the general symptoms are consistent
with so many other diseases. It is very easy to misdiagnose dry FIP and miss
the real cause of something. Also, the rapid onset, ages of some of the cats,
and the number who are being stricken in such a short period of time are NOT
consistent with dry FIP.
What Hideyo describes across the board is consistent with ingesting a toxic
substance. And if you look at the cats individually you can identify other
illnesses that would present with the same symptoms.
Unfortunately, since I do shelter rescues, I have seen a few cases of dry
FIP this year and last. And I have researched FIP in an attempt to deal with
what I have seen. What Hideyo describes is not typical of FIP in a shelter or
rescue environment. Some of the cats, maybe, but not all of them in the time
frame and with the symptoms describes. There may be something else going on
and I would not assume FIP to the exclusion of any other explanation.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you look at Dr. Addie's description of dry FIP on her website, it does
sound like it's possible that Hideyo's cats are getting it.
Michelle
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