Hey Tamara
I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yet----but I
love the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3
years--just read it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the
listmember who had some children's book ideas up her sleeve....my
co-worker reckons (as I do) that "the goldfish who couldn't swim" would
make a great book!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara
stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Thanks Chris!
I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to
keep him. Romeo is a good name for him!
Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we
are treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along
with my female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him
until he, having had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or
so, and oh, 3-4 lbs heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep
Tully locked behind three stacked babygates covering the doorway between
my studio and the rest of the apt. I was hoping that this would help
the felines to get used to one another....its been about 5 months
now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully is prone to urine infections
& crystals and has asthma....ssssooo here's yet ANOTHER foster animal
that will be with me forever.
HA....I really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends
who feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket & Walmart brand
food)....let them come and go outside without supervision....Here I'm
trying to feed my animals human-grade quality foods like Merrik and
EVO...and each one of them has been a special needs critter...heart
conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain tumors, cat herpes, ibd,
seizers, pancreitis attacks....hell...I even had a diabetic guinea pig,
a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that couldn't
swim....-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of the
tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't
float to save his life!
Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!
Thanks again for the support! Take care & God Bless.
T
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Haven't chimed in too often lately but just want to offer
another perspective. Tamara & I were both looking for someplace for one
of our cats-she for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each
other to compare notes & I remember when this all happened. Being a
total neophyte at this, I so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and
other members of this group gave me. I remember that what struck me was
how frightening the whole process was. I sort of had to take stranger's
word that they were going to take care of BB as well as I would have!
In these 'travels' looking for a new home for BB, I ran across some
pretty scary people. One local guy was the 'collector' for FELV+ cats
that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his
home & simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked
to him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let
anyone even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been
wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he
was-how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly
if they had never been there???
As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are
also overloaded-going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work
to monitor those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search & w. my
Katrina work, has shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever
take a look at their foster--many don't even have a home visit to begin
with-much less a visit after they receive animals. I know that most
fosters are GREAT situations-but it only takes one poor/marginal one to
ruin it for everybody. Tamara's heads up to me way back then saved me a
long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly saved me from making
what could have been a bad placement for him...
Over the last few years, I've looked to this group for so
much-and found that everybody could be open & honest here. We need to
give each other some clues when something doesn't seem quite right...
So Tamara, thank you from me and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo
and sprawled out on my bed-so much for rehoming!)
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara
stickler
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Rude Ranch
Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who
had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a
business to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they
can only continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue
to help pay for the cats care...I get that. And I understand this woman
who agreed to help me, doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of
her love of animals...I understand and respect that. As for the
conditions on her farm and the charges under her care, since they were
not up to MY standards, as I believe I would want to live, so I found
another alternative for the charge under my care.
While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I didn't
because she IS working with all these other rescue organizations. All
these places, people, who start with the best of intentions do good
work. The level of "good" is relative to each individual's personal
reality.
IF what she had said was true about RR shifting cats onto her,
which she seemed very proud of- to be able to help...I felt it MIGHT
help someone reading about RR to understand that there may be a
POSSIBILITY that a cat placed with them, might not stay with them, and
if sent away, might not wind up in a place as nice as their's. I
admitted in my e-mail that I had no personal knowledge of the workings
of Rude Ranch, only relayed my experience with someone who claimed
to...and because she knew them by name and seemed joyed to help them &
because several other rescue operations I had spoken to recommended her
to me, I had no reason to believe that she wasn't telling me the truth.
But as saying even the least little thing bad about a place can
cause harm, so can saying a place is wonderful ....
My only intention with my original post was to caution. I know
I have dropped animals at "WONDERFUL" shelters in the past, places I
personally supported financially for years...then eventually volunteered
there only to learn awful things about the running of the organizations
(again...NOT referring to Rude Ranch, I've never been THERE)....but...If
a place seems TOO wonderful, its often too easy to reliquish the care of
a beloved animal to it and not feel any guilt. Whereas IF all the facts
were researched, perhaps a better place/person could be found if just
given a little more time and research.
I had/have no intention to villify people who care and are
trying to help...even when they've lost their way. EDUCATION to those
trying to place felv+ cats is the best security for the animals, whether
education on the disease itself, or on HOW to investigate anyone or
place where one might leave an animal who is trusting you to care for
them.
I never said RR was bad, or absolutely did shift animals onto an
overloaded foster home, I just relayed what little information I
personaly heard from someone who claimed to have a good, working
relationship with RR. So that if anyone had seen them on Animal Planet
they wouldn't automatically assume them to be the "be-all-end-all"
(which they may actually be-who knows) just because they were on tv.
Speaking as a rescuer myself, who is more than willing to help others
...I prefer to do so when they've exhausted all other avenues...and NOT
be their first call...being too good at what you do, can get you in WAY
over your head.
T
TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
exactly..... it only takes one person with their own
agenda to cause
irreparable harm.
we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take
her two FeLVs,
from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really
well on long
transports, we tried to work with her on more local
options. every
place she went to, she found major fault with, yet every
time we tried
to set up transport arrangements with her, she has one
excuse after
another about why it wouldn't/couldn't work. i had many
long emails
and phone calls with her, and finally, she just stopped
responding.
about two months later, she started posting hissterical
messages about
these same two cats on the lists. again, i wrote and
reminded her that
we were willing to take them--on the lists, she wrote
really nasty
letters about how i'd never responded to her before, and
that if it
had been up to me, those cats would have been dead by
now, then she
went on about how she wasn't going to send them to a
place where the
cats lived in cages in tiny rooms all their lives--which
was not at
all the case where we were--i'd sent her many photos of
our
facilities..... when i reminded her, off list, of our
phone calls and
emails, she went back on the lists, saying that i was
harassing her
and that she was going to tell everyone to have nothing
to do with our
sanctuary and that if she ever heard from me again she'd
report me for
stalking.... i reported HER to all the lists she was
posting on,
actually.....and considered sending her the bill for the
long-distance
phone calls i'd made to her....
some people will never be satisfied, and sadly, some
people really do
exist solely to make trouble for others.
MC
On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote:
> I do not know personally of the place but be careful
when saying
> something negative like that on line, You could really
hurt someone
> trying to help.
> I have a small sanctuary and would never allow anyone
in here with
> out an appointment, There are many many crazy people
out there
> unfamiliar with what it takes to manage multitudes of
cats...All it
> takes is for one cat to vomit in a corner and another
boy baby to
> spray someones shoes.. Yup it happens. I know of two
wonderful caring
> rescuers ( not hoarders) who lost al their cats when
an novice cat
> person decided it was messy etc,,,,they called the
authorities and as
> a result I imagine many cats lost their loving home
and perhaps their lives,
> for a person getting rid of cats for any reason, why
do they expect
> others to be able to do what they themselves are
willing to do,,I
> have both FIV and FELV....
> I do recommend that any time a cat is placed a home
check is in
> order,,that is common sense.
> Kelly
> www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
>
>
>
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