I wish I knew too! Maybe someday, SOMEONE will figure it out...
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well time went on and he just
sort of made himself comfortableand you know how that goes!
Well the tussles between Romeo and Tucson make me really wish I could talk
cat language! The thing is that he is NEVER the aggressor. The only time
they start fighting is when she corners him. Having been out on the street for
so long, hes better at it and she always gets the short end but that doesnt
stop her! Never ever had that experience with cats before so its a real
stumper! Hes getting a little braver about coming into a room when shes
there but is she spots him, she usually lets him walk a couple of feet and then
goes charging. Whats really weird is that at meal time, he comes trotting out
and will stand there and meow with the rest of them as I open the food and
nobody goes after anybody else. Or if a stranger comes in the apartment, they
all go scurrying under one of the beds and will stay nose to nose for hours
without so much as a hiss! Go figure.
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
Thanks Chris!
I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep
him. Romeo is a good name for him!
Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. Once again we are
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my
female, Coebeio. Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having
had enough goes after her. Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the
apt. I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one
another....its been about 5 months now...and no go. To make it worse...Tully
is prone to urine infections & crystals and has asthma....ssssooo here's yet
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever.
HA....I really think I must be doing something wrong! I have friends who
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket & Walmart brand food)....let them
come and go outside without supervision....Here I'm trying to feed my animals
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attacks....hell...I even had a
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that
couldn't swim....-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't
float to save his life!
Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!
Thanks again for the support! Take care & God Bless.
T
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Havent chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another
perspective. Tamara & I were both looking for someplace for one of our
catsshe for Simms, me for Big Boy. We touched base with each other to compare
notes & I remember when this all happened. Being a total neophyte at this, I
so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me.
I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was. I
sort of had to take strangers word that they were going to take care of BB as
well as I would have! In these travels looking for a new home for BB, I ran
across some pretty scary people. One local guy was the collector for FELV+
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter. He never let anybody come to his
home & simply picked up the cats in various parking lots. When I talked to
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone
even come to inspect, much less visit. Now he may have been
wonderful, but who knows?? But everyone raved about what a nice guy he
washow could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if
they had never been there???
As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also
overloadedgoing to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor
those fosters. Sadly, my experience with BB search & w. my Katrina work, has
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their
foster--many dont even have a home visit to begin withmuch less a visit after
they receive animals. I know that most fosters are GREAT situationsbut it
only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody. Tamaras heads up
to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly
saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him
Over the last few years, Ive looked to this group for so muchand found
that everybody could be open & honest here. We need to give each other some
clues when something doesnt seem quite right
So Tamara, thank you from me
and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bedso much
for rehoming!)
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Rude Ranch
Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had
volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a business
to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only
continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay for
the cats care...I get that. And I understand this woman who agreed to help me,
doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of animals...I
understand and respect that. As for the conditions on her farm and the charges
under her care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would
want to live, so I found another alternative for the charge under my care.
While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I didn't because
she IS working with all these other rescue organizations. All these places,
people, who start with the best of intentions do good work. The level of
"good" is relative to each individual's personal reality.
IF what she had said was true about RR shifting cats onto her, which she
seemed very proud of- to be able to help...I felt it MIGHT help someone reading
about RR to understand that there may be a POSSIBILITY that a cat placed with
them, might not stay with them, and if sent away, might not wind up in a place
as nice as their's. I admitted in my e-mail that I had no personal knowledge
of the workings of Rude Ranch, only relayed my experience with someone who
claimed to...and because she knew them by name and seemed joyed to help them &
because several other rescue operations I had spoken to recommended her to me,
I had no reason to believe that she wasn't telling me the truth.
But as saying even the least little thing bad about a place can cause
harm, so can saying a place is wonderful ....
My only intention with my original post was to caution. I know I have
dropped animals at "WONDERFUL" shelters in the past, places I personally
supported financially for years...then eventually volunteered there only to
learn awful things about the running of the organizations (again...NOT
referring to Rude Ranch, I've never been THERE)....but...If a place seems TOO
wonderful, its often too easy to reliquish the care of a beloved animal to it
and not feel any guilt. Whereas IF all the facts were researched, perhaps a
better place/person could be found if just given a little more time and
research.
I had/have no intention to villify people who care and are trying to
help...even when they've lost their way. EDUCATION to those trying to place
felv+ cats is the best security for the animals, whether education on the
disease itself, or on HOW to investigate anyone or place where one might leave
an animal who is trusting you to care for them.
I never said RR was bad, or absolutely did shift animals onto an
overloaded foster home, I just relayed what little information I personaly
heard from someone who claimed to have a good, working relationship with RR.
So that if anyone had seen them on Animal Planet they wouldn't automatically
assume them to be the "be-all-end-all" (which they may actually be-who knows)
just because they were on tv. Speaking as a rescuer myself, who is more than
willing to help others ...I prefer to do so when they've exhausted all other
avenues...and NOT be their first call...being too good at what you do, can get
you in WAY over your head.
T
TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
exactly..... it only takes one person with their own agenda to cause
irreparable harm.
we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take her two FeLVs,
from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really well on long
transports, we tried to work with her on more local options. every
place she went to, she found major fault with, yet every time we tried
to set up transport arrangements with her, she has one excuse after
another about why it wouldn't/couldn't work. i had many long emails
and phone calls with her, and finally, she just stopped responding.
about two months later, she started posting hissterical messages about
these same two cats on the lists. again, i wrote and reminded her that
we were willing to take them--on the lists, she wrote really nasty
letters about how i'd never responded to her before, and that if it
had been up to me, those cats would have been dead by now, then she
went on about how she wasn't going to send them to a place where the
cats lived in cages in tiny rooms all their lives--which was not at
all the case where we were--i'd sent her many photos of our
facilities..... when i reminded her, off list, of our phone calls and
emails, she went back on the lists, saying that i was harassing her
and that she was going to tell everyone to have nothing to do with our
sanctuary and that if she ever heard from me again she'd report me for
stalking.... i reported HER to all the lists she was posting on,
actually.....and considered sending her the bill for the long-distance
phone calls i'd made to her....
some people will never be satisfied, and sadly, some people really do
exist solely to make trouble for others.
MC
On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote:
> I do not know personally of the place but be careful when saying
> something negative like that on line, You could really hurt someone
> trying to help.
> I have a small sanctuary and would never allow anyone in here with
> out an appointment, There are many many crazy people out there
> unfamiliar with what it takes to manage multitudes of cats...All it
> takes is for one cat to vomit in a corner and another boy baby to
> spray someones shoes.. Yup it happens. I know of two wonderful caring
> rescuers ( not hoarders) who lost al their cats when an novice cat
> person decided it was messy etc,,,,they called the authorities and as
> a result I imagine many cats lost their loving home and perhaps their lives,
> for a person getting rid of cats for any reason, why do they expect
> others to be able to do what they themselves are willing to do,,I
> have both FIV and FELV....
> I do recommend that any time a cat is placed a home check is in
> order,,that is common sense.
> Kelly
> www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
>
>
>
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