Thank you,

Pam

Marylyn wrote:
There are those on the board that have no interest in this so I will send this email and ask that you contact me off the board if I can provide additional informtion.

Please remember that, under the Christian and Jewish traditions, man was kicked out of paradise, not the animals.

Try these links:

http://www.dogshavesouls.com/scripture.html

www.saintfrancisfoundation.com

And search www.Amazon.com for information on animals and heaven and communications

A particular favorite:


Numbers 22:27 "And when the ass (donkey) saw the angel of the Lord, she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he smote the ass with a staff.

28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?"



ROMANS 8:19-21 "the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."
(KJV).

LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.'" (NKJ)

ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. (KJV)

REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (KJV)

ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, "Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals". (NKJ)

ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust all return. (NIV)

LUKE 3:6 "all flesh shall see the salvation of God." (KJV)

PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O LORD. (NRS)

GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so. (DBY






If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.


That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them.

Pam

Marylyn wrote:
Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the Bible speaks of interspecies communications. Below is one of my favorite scriptures.

JOB 12:7-10

You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of every living thing and the breath of every human being!

There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching. Just clarifying that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists. As some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest.








If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
----- Original Message ----- From: "dede hicken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.


Wow!!  Now THAT was a vent!!!  That said i agree with
Debbie, but there is something more important at stake
here.

I personally have found this list to be one of the
most caring ones around.  You guys were supportive of
me during our move, and even offered suggestions.  Not
one other list was as helpful.  No, it didn't have
much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who
scared the crap out of me during that ordeal.  He is
doing well, anyway...)  but I needed support.  I have
a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV
and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!)
and an asthmatic.  The others are healthy.  But
darnit, I was scared.  No one likes to think about
losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and
will again.

Point is, we all need a kind word now and again.  And
suggestions, too.  We may not alwys agree, but hey,
they were given from the heart, and we need to be
mature enough to take what we want and keep our
mouth's shut if we don't like them.

The internet brings peoples of all beliefs
together...that is what is so facinating about it!
One of my best friend is a Pagan.  I don't believe in
all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised!
We are free to "take it or leave it"  And, if you
decide to leave it, do it with grace.

In friendship,
Dede and Ki (and all the rest)


--- Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I was disturbed by the below message. There is
nothing wrong with people
believing in certain things. If those things bring
them comfort how could it
ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn's my space blog and
it seems to me she is
someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues.
She comes across as being
a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for
what it is worth - just
someone blowing off steam.

It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person
doesn't believe strongly
in something. Faith is the healing force and there
is nothing wrong with
saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to
make us see what is
truly important in our lives.  Myself, I would say I
wouldn't go to any
psychic readings of any type, but that's me. I do
believe there are things
that are mystical or paranormal, etc., but I have
always wondered where
those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don't
know then I choose not
to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in
it - then that is their
choice.





-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
delete without reading.



I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal
attack.  I truly believe
in AC and know a number of people who practice it.
It has worked for me and
it has worked for them.  I am sorry it has not
worked for you.  Perhaps one
day.













                                                 If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with
their fellow man.

             St.
Francis

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To: HYPERLINK

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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM

Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
delete without reading.



"And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the
cats in question what they
would prefer when death is a serious option."



The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that
anyone can psychically
communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I
think the "animal
communication" business is a FRAUD taking advantage
of people and their love
of their pets (and often, their weakened mental
status because of
desperation and stress). There may actually BE good
people out there who
REALLY believe they communicate with animals...
people who are not frauds,
people with good hearts, but out of touch with
reality. I'm not saying ALL
AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but
really, you can't PROVE
this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other
humans WILL take
advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake
oil? HELLO?!



You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY
emails about animal
communication, that it seems to be THE answer to
EVERYTHING! I just can't
fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to
actually believe in
something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable
to be proven. And to put
an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL
MUTILATION, on the line based
on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a
coin, well, it's just
unfathomable, I just can't come up with any other
word for it! It's like a
NEW RELIGION... You can't see, it, you can't prove
it, you can't feel it,
you can't do anything to prove it exists, yet you
just blindly throw your
faith into it, and put everything you own in your
heart into this belief in
the unprovable!



I  JUST  DO  NOT  GET  IT !



In my opinion, all the talk of animal communication
on this list has made
it's validity LAUGHABLE in the past year. This used
to be a place where
people could come get answers based in REAL
EXPERIENCE and scientific
studies, and it was a place to come to for education
on the scientific facts
behind FELV (among other feline health topics) and
answers to questions
about MEDICINE. This used to be a place where when a
vet was not so helpful,
an owner could come here and ask questions and leave
feeling like they got
solid, helpful, and scientific advice and treatment
options. There has been
more talk of psychic communication, afterlife,
prayer, and other crap (for
lack of a better word) here in the past year than
there has been talk of the
actual REAL facts of FELV. I learned SO MUCH here in
the past 6 years that I
made an entire WEBSITE out of that info. In the past
year, I honestly think
I've learned maybe 2 or 3 things here, and the rest
has just been loads of
fantastical blind FAITH in NOTHING!



I'm leaving.. again... I'll be back... later. I
always come back,
eventually. I can only HOPE that while I am gone,
people will get a GRIP on
reality, and pull their heads out of la-la land! If
you want to change my
mind, if you think I am wrong, I openly invite
anyone of you (or your pet
psychics) to send me a SIGN. I'll be sitting here
waiting for the sounds of
heralding angels "Ahhhhhhhhhhh!" (cue the organ
music) and beams of bright
light and spirits floating around in the room with
me. I'll be awaiting
little kitties with wings taking flight by my head,
lighting on my shoulder,
whispering "Meow do you believe in us?" in my ear,
while it rains glittery
pixie dust in my room. Please send them my way.
Maybe I can ask them, while
they are here, the meaning of life, why there is
suffering
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"When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God"
                  Mosiah 2:17



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