I think I mentioned filling milk/water bottles/jugs with water, freezing them 
into a solid mass, and putting bottle and all into the water dish.  Big chunks 
melt much slower than cubes.  Consider cracking the gate a little with a chain 
and padlock so they can slip in but bigger beings can't.  Remember, I know 
Louisville.  






                                                 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
                                                 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
                                                 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
                                                                  St. Francis
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:35 AM
  Subject: Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues


  Thanks Marylyn, that's very reassuring.  I worry about them so and wish I 
could let them in the house.  The Lil Girl wants to come in so bad- but I think 
it's more to just mess around since the house still smells like Monkee- than to 
actually cool off!  And since I have a foster cat now, I can't risk exposing 
them when I don't know what the street cats may have.  Plus the street cats are 
toughies and my little foster cat is a baby.  

  I change their water twice a day and they've been getting lots of ice in it.  
I have kept my back gate open so they can freely go in the backyard (instead of 
having to jump over the fence).  There's lots of shade out there in the a.m. 
and I added a water out there.  

  -Caroline 




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    From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
    To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
    Subject: Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues
    Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:01:05 -0500


    FYI:  Dixie had to stay in an unair conditioned garage for quite a while 
after she tested FELV +.  I, too, was concerned about the heat but my vets said 
she would be fine if she could get out of the sun and had plenty of water.  
This is Ky. temperatures if that tells you anything.  The soil under low 
growing bushes is cool.  The vets pointed out that cats originated in Africa 
and are more accustomed to heat than dogs.  This does not mean leave the cat in 
a car and go shopping though.  Ebony and Mi Tu spent many hot days in duct work 
that led from an a/ced house to an outside kennel with plenty of shade.  To me, 
the cool water is the most important thing.  And part of the "cool" keeps the 
water fresher.  It does not grow green slime as  fast.   






                                                     If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
                                                     from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
                                                     will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
                                                                      St. 
Francis
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Susan Dubose 
      To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
      Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 2:07 PM
      Subject: Re: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues


      For the heat, I would just make sure there is always plenty of fresh, 
clean water for them.

      As far as fleas, you can buy the large dog size of Advantage or Frontline 
and "break it down" to the proper dosage for cats.

      That's what I do every month, I am treating 60+ cats per month.

      My inside cats are even getitng treatment because the fleas are soooo bad 
this year, the fleas are in the yard and can get in throught he enclosure, even 
tho it is screened.

      If you want to the actual doasges to use, email me offlist.

      You can buy both of these products cheap @ Revival right now, w/ $2.99 
shipping.

      You can get about 5 or 6 dosages of treatment out of one large dog size 
tube.


      Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
      www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
      www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
      www.shadowcats.net
                                        "As Cleopatra lay in state,
                                         Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
                                         Purring welcomes of soft applause,
                                         Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
                                                   Trajan Tennent




        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Caroline Kaufmann 
        To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
        Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:17 AM
        Subject: OT: Flea Control for colony/street cats, heat and other issues


        There are outdoor, colony cats (all spayed and neutered) on my street 
that the street, as a whole, kind of takes care of (people put food out).  
There's a lady a few houses up the street from me that started this- I think 
some of them she "rescued" from bad pet stores, but she lets them roam free on 
the street.  I've had a few conversations with her about the cats.  There are 
at least four that are outdoor-outdoor.  There's a few others that I think 
sometimes go in the lady's house.  She says the four outdoor ones won't go in 
her house though and that's why they stay out, year round... ?  I've been in 
this neighborhood about a year and I feed the cats and keep fresh water out for 
them.  I worried about them in the winter, so I fed them even more when it was 
bitter cold.  Other people feed them too, but there's 3 of them that seem to 
prefer my food (of course) and my company, so they are at my door a lot.  Two 
of them will come on my front screened porch and "hang-out."  I've stepped up 
the attention I give them and the feeding since Monkee died because they were a 
way for me to continue to interact with cats and to look out after something.

        One of them, my favorite, is this tiny (under 9 pounds) little girl who 
is "just one of the guys" and she's runs roughshod over them.  When the 
dominant male is not around, she's sweet, adorable little cat.  When the males 
are around, she's large and in charge.  She will let me pet her and now I can 
hold her.  I knew she had tapeworms because I saw the segments.  I finally got 
a tapeworm pill for free from my Shamrock Foundation contact and I pilled the 
little girl this weekend-- it went fine, she fought me, but I came out of it 
without even one scratch.  I'm such a good piller- it shocks even me!  My 
Shamrock contact also gave me a free Advantage to put on her because I wanted 
to control her fleas.  I give only the little girl Wellness wet food and I mix 
in Colostrum, L-Lysine, and pet calm (the male cats are large and healthy 
looking, so I don't treat them to the Wellness if I can help it).  I am just 
trying to what I can to help boost her immune system.  Does anyone have any 
other suggestions? 

        I guess my question is this: should I be trying to treat the other 
outdoor cats with flea control too?  I just wanted to hit the little girl for 
now because I knew she had tapeworms, but I haven't yet seen segments on the 
other ones (and I always check their butts), even though I know it's highly 
likely they all probably have them and other worms too.  What do people think 
about Frontline Spray?  Is it safe to use?  Could I treat the other ones with 
Frontline Spray?  I am just looking for advice here because I don't know what I 
am doing!

        I would probably haul them all up to the vet if I could but I can't 
afford it right now.  I still owe $400 on Monkee's vet bills.  I am currently 
fostering an 11 month old female tortie, declawed, surrender from two different 
homes that the 2nd home surrendered her to Animal Control (instead of a no-kill 
shelter like Shamrock)-- idiots-- but thank god, my Shamrock contact was 
literally on the street doing a re-release and saw the whole thing going on and 
she got the cat out of the pound 24 hrs later.  She's been with me over a week 
now and I am thinking about keeping her, so that would mean more vet bills.  On 
top of all that, my mom (a reluctant participant) and I did a rescue of a 
severely malnourished spayed female on Saturday that's been out in my mom's 
neighborhood for about 3 weeks.  She's staying in a crate in a room in my mom's 
house.  She looked horrible (weepy infected eyes)- which I am treating with 
terramycin but she needs vet care because she is so malnourished and has fleas, 
etc.  She's getting Wellness wet food, also with Colostrum, L-Lysine, lots of 
pet calm/rescue remedy and tons of Nutrical.  My mom reports she looks much 
better (finally) this a.m. and her eyes look much improved.  So, I am hoping 
that we can get Shamrock to help fund us taking her to a vet, but if not, then 
it's on us.   

        Also, I live in Kentucky and it's been incredibly hot here and it's 
only getting worse.  This is what made me finally treat the little girl for 
tapeworms and fleas- because I knew the heat was going to stress her out and I 
didn't want her further stressed by having worms.  Apparently, it's going to be 
the hottest it's been in 5 years, so I am really worrying now about the 
colony/street cats in this heat.  Any suggestions as to what I can do to help 
them get through this heat wave?

        Thanks,
        Caroline      


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