Oh the smell of kitten poo! 


What a good idea about the before pictures. We just got Penelope 2 weeks
ago, and already she's changed and grown so much! I can't believe the
progress! She was so bony and her hips and spine were sticking out so badly
that I thought it would take longer to get healthy. She was also so scared
of me and my husband. Now she's my shadow and the loudest purrer and the
best snuggler. She's even starting to try to wrestle with our Smokey. So
cute! Wish I would have the before photos. Okay, enough of my little baby. 


As for your poo issues, maybe you could take samples of the cow pie-type and
Yoda's to the vet's for testing. At least you wouldn't have to pay for a
visit. I think Ashley's scheduled poo test was going to be around $100, but
that was because they were going to send it to a lab. If you took it to the
office, they could just look under a scope for parasites, etc.


That's what I'd do, and since you've got them fairly isolated, you'll be
able to see whose poo is whose. :-)


Talk about Satan's Minions! I just have to tell about our Smokey (1 year)
who gets so excited during piano lessons. I teach them 3 nights a week, and
every time she has to prove her gymnastic skills by vaulting from the couch
to the table to the very top of the screen door, hang there until I scold
her or reach for the Febreeze (don't worry, I don't get the Febreeze on
her), then she sprints around the room, munches on our house plant/tree, and
eventually runs downstairs since she knows by now she's in big trouble. Oh
those naughty kitties! I'm so happy that we've got a few young ones to keep
us on our toes!


Keep us informed on how it goes with you and the babies.





[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Kitten Question


Thanks Melissa.  I don't have a digital camera- other than a webcam.  Have
to borrow my mom's and she has come over to take a few pictures of them, so
once she gets them loaded, I will post those.  These kittens are
hilarious...I think it's the group dynamic.  One one one with me, away from
the others, they are darlings.  When out for playtime, they are Satan's
Minions!  Yoda is seriously the cutest thing I've seen in a long time
(second only to the Monkee!) and he has this strut!  He struts when he first
gets let out of his cage...hilarious!
They did not have diarrhea when I first got them, and I think Yoda was the
only one who had some initial diarrhea when I started his amoxy.  But then
it tapered off and I was treating them with Amoxy twice a day and stools
were normal...stinky kitten poo, but otherwise normal.
Now, Yoda's diarrhea and the cow pies (that's a good description for the
stools somewhat in between the two extremes)-- those smell pretty bad.  I
have noted the smell has gotten worse with the softer stools.  
About the supplements, this past Sat. was the first Sat. I took them to cat
adoption day and put them on display and my mom came to check them out.
Bragging a little, she said my fosters look better than the other fosters
and there's no comparison!  She said they look like they are getting
vitamins and they behaved so well...they loved their outing!  Their skin and
coats look crazy-good!  But I told my mom, well, they better look good, I'm
feeding them cans of food that costs like $80 cents for a teeny can!  They
are so much better off than they were in their previous home, so everytime I
get worn down and worn out, I remember this.  I wish to god that once again,
I took "before" pix, so you all could see the "after" pix and be as shocked
and amazed as me.  But my mom is always so hesitant to condone the taking of
before pix b/c she always thinks that when they come to me in such bad
shape, that they will die.  She thought Yoda would die over Labor Day
weekend.  I guess she views that taking of the before pic as macabre or
something.  Then, when they survive and come out looking awesome, we kick
ourselves for not taking a before pic.  Urgh.  


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Kitten Question
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:10:09 -0500

Hi Caroline,


I was thinking about you and the kitties. I'm glad to have a new topic to


Anyway, I gather from your post that they didn't have diarrhea before or
soft stools right? I know my vet told me the antibiotics can cause diarrhea.
We had Ashley on Clavomox because of her cow-pie stools, but even after she
was finished with the Clavomox, it took 2 weeks for the stools to harden.
She still has a touch of the soft stools and some stinky gas now and then,
but the smell isn't unbearable as it was before. Our house no longer smells
like a giant litter box. This may sound gross, but how's the smell? With
Ashley it was nauseating-it could seriously bring you to your knees. It
turned out to be persistent parasites or bacteria or something like that
which hadn't gotten cleared up from the first trips to the vet's. She was a
kitty eating out of a dumpster, and I think the vet figured that because of
the damage done, it was taking longer to rehabilitate her. However, she came
to me with diarrhea; she didn't develop it. And it took several months to
get better (after much distress on my part). But, like I said, the vet said
the antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Maybe it just takes a while to get out
of your kitties' systems.


I think it's great that you load up on the vitamins and supplements, but you
make me feel like a negligent mommy! 


Oh, we also switched Ashley to some blander food for a while. I think it was
Science Diet ID or something like that. But, I think you're light years
ahead of me on the nutritional side of things anyway.


I hope you find homes for your babies really soon. You should post some
pictures of them for us! We could all use a little cheering up and a
reminder that the kitties, not our egos, are the most important things here.





[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Kitten Question


I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site
adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday.  He was bigger and
totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the
instigator and a bad influence on the other ones.  He was a  B/W little
Kittler, so it figures!  
Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea?  And I
don't know what the cause is?  I'm not doing anything different with them.
They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry
kitten.  Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m.,
and the same in the evening.  When I leave for work, after they have eaten
the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay
in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food.  They
are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but
I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them
and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered "coop cups" from Revival, so
these should solve that problem).
On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and
Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now).  In the pm, I do
the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each.
I just placed an order for "Just Born with Colostrum" and will be switching
them to that when I get it.  
I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if
they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure.  The
smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that
hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a
little eating and growing machine!).  The biggest- Yoda- the first one I
took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the
floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and
I've had him since Labor Day Weekend!!!!  He's a growing monster.
So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and
getting noticeably bigger.  They run and play like maniacs (they have so
MUCH energy!  My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and
supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time.
They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out
of them, but I finally did it.  I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week
ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea?  But now they seem to be
having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea.  Yoda seems to be having the
diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the
other two share one).  My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!),
she's 1 now and no longer a "kitten" but a big, healthy mature cat-- she
gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of
regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core.
She mingles with the kittens now during "play-time" and she is not having
any diarrhea.   
Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I
can do about it?    
I'd appreciate some help!  I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just
don't know much about them...


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