Hi Caroline,
   
  Did you ever get Yoda's fecal to a vet?  In the meantime I know our shelter 
used to cook rice in chicken broth and give it to kittens with diarrhea.  They 
said it helped.  I don't know if it really did or not, but I used to cook it 
and take it to them.  You might also try keeping yoda totally on wet food and 
mixing it with some canned pumpkin.
   
  Is he eating a variety of foods?  (wet and dry?)  I would switch him to just 
one thing only for a while.
   
  Is h e taking vitamin C?  That can cause diarrhea............
   
  tonya

Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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The diarrhea contiunes but it's now mostly affecting Yoda.  The other two will 
have normal poos, and then sometimes soft, cow-pie poos, but they are not 
having the runny, watery, sometimes mucousy diarrhea Yoda is now having.  I'm 
just baffeled.  And upset for him.  I went to scoop him up yesterday and he 
tried to dodge me (he's wiley), so instead of getting scruff or the mid-section 
of his body, I got only his hind quarters and I grabbed on.  Well, the poor 
thing simulanteously let out a baby-bird/girly squeal and also passed gas at 
the same time (really loudly).  I thought some diarrhea may have shot out 
accidently (it hadn't) when I grabbed him because the passing gas noise was so 
loud.  I felt so bad- his tummy must have been bothering him.  So I immediately 
put him in his crate in his litter box and the poor thing immediately had 
really gassy, totally liquidy diarrhea.  I know, it's gross, I'm sorry!  I felt 
so bad for him.  He also had to get a "bath" yesterday
 morning because his feet were all pooy from a night in the crate- his litter 
box was a mess, he'd had two boughts of diarrhea/cow pies thru the night- I 
couldn't really tell if it was diarrhea because he'd spent a lot of time 
burying them, hence the dirty feet.  He was good for his bath tho!  He's 
getting Immodium AD and it seems to not be working at all!  But he's still 
status quo- eating like a piggy, drinking water, running around and playing 
fine.  I guess I will call the Vet and see what he has to say...
I myself had been sick since Tuesday the 18th!!!  I only took one day off work 
because I thought it was just allergies/change of season, etc., so I didn't go 
to the Dr. because I didn't want to be put on an antibiotic that would just 
destroy my stomach...I pushed myself too much last weekend and ended up with 
laryngitis.  I finally got my voice back last Wed. and thought all was well.  
Well, Friday at work I felt intense muscle pain and my neck hurt, I felt like I 
would throw up-- it was horrible.  I finally just went home early and admitted 
to myself that I had a fever!  No other symptoms besides a fever and just 
feeling like I might die.  So I spent a miserable Fri. night freezing to death 
on my couch.  By Sat. my fever had broke, but I still felt horrible, so it was 
couch-time again.  I think I am all recovered now but my mom is so mad at me 
(for not going to the Dr.) and she says that the kitties and I are "all making 
each other sick!"-- but she's crazy!  
-Caroline  

    
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  Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:45:49 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kitten update Take 2
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

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  Caroline,
   
  You're post made me LOL!  You're funny!
   
  I am hoping you figure out soon what's going on with your guys, because I'm 
betting it's what's wrong with Ensie.
   
  Keep us posted!
  :)
  Wendy
 
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!"     ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:34:45 PM
Subject: Kitten update Take 2

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Yoda's fecal back and it's totally negative- even the flotation.  Now I don't 
know what to do and I pretty much told the Doctor that ("what do I do!?").  He 
doesn't seem to think it's from the antibiotic.  Yoda was the first started on 
it at Labor Day and he was on it 10 days, so he's been off it a long time.  I 
was also surprised that none of the kittens had diarrhea while actually on 
Amoxy (Monkee always got soft stools when on Clavamox).  Anyway, he said it 
could be a virus of some kind, but it's definitely not bacterial or parasites.  
He asked about their exposure- which is basically nill, so he was fine with 
that.  He said it could still be giardia because that doesn't show up in a 
fecal-- that they need the sample immediately because giardia is "like bubbles" 
and you can see them really clearly under a microscope if you get
 the sample immediately-- pretty much from butt to microscope (that's what he 
said- not me)-- but within a few seconds, they start to burst I guess and then 
you can't see them.  This is how he described it.  I told him the diarrhea 
smells HORRIBLE and he said "hmmmm..."  He wanted to know when it started and I 
guessed about Monday.  He said that is not too much time so he isn't worried 
yet.  He said to try giving them all Liquid Immodium AD- 1/4 teaspoon and see 
if that helps.  If not, we will try some other things (I guess looking for 
giardia).  
 
I'm going to give it this weekend I guess.  I have two thoughs: #1) it's a 
random virus that they could have picked up when we went to Sat. cat adoption 
day.  Although I kept all mine in a separate pen and they did not meet any of 
the condo cats at the store, they were in the same general area and if it's 
possible they could get an airborne stomach virus just by being in the same 
area, maybe that's it?  #2) it's giardia and the vet will need Yoda's actual 
butt to diagnosis it!
 
I came home early from work and Yoda had yet another diarrhea in his box.  He 
was eating dry crunchies when I came in.  I immediately gave everyone their 
Immodium.  No sooner had I done that and Yoda had two more separate piles of 
even runnier, smellier diarrhea (and not to mention, he trashed his crate 
afterward-- he does it on purpose)!  Urgh.  He gets away with it because he's 
cuter than cute and the lil b*stard knows it!  I know I need to give the 
Immodium more of a chance...but still?!  
 
If it continues this weekend, I will just drop Yoda off on Monday and say, 
"here's his butt...have at it; I'm sure he'll give you a 'sample' in all of 
like 2 minutes!"  
 
One of grey ones that are crated together threw up dry food this morning-- just 
a little bit of it and into their water bowl.  It happened while I was at work 
so I don't know who did it.  No one has ever thrown up since I've had them.  I 
don't know if it means anything tho-- it really looked like the cat just ate 
too fast without chewing because the crunchies were all pratically whole!
 
Awwww kittens...they are so much trouble!  I guess I rested on my laurels with 
them after we beat the URIs so I probably deserve this!  Happily tho, I now got 
my "coop cups" in the mail so no more spilling our waters and trashing our 
crates and barfing in our waters!  I'm so excited!  I get as excited about my 
online pet-care deliveries as I used to get about my clothing purchases that I 
couldn't afford!  I guess that means I've matured?  Or maybe my priorities are 
just more admirable now!  I also got my "Just Born" in the mail and I'm 
starting them on that tonight!
 
-Caroline 

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