Good idea.  You would not forgive yourself if something happened and  
you didn't.  If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you  
might consult them.  If not, and if you would like, I have the website  
of one who will do telelphone consults.  Carolyn has used her too.
On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote:

> Thank you so much Gloria.  I am going to print the article below and  
> take it
> to our vet.  I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our  
> vet
> before having the spay.  I realize the importance of having the  
> surgery.
> I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for  
> not
> getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the
> slightest chance of something happening to her.  She is healthy, or  
> so she
> was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her
> examined first by our vet.
> Lynne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
>> Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING
>> PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
>> As I understand this is a Persian!
>> Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've
>> spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
>> will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a
>> kitty this way.  See the article below.
>> Gloria
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>> On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:
>>> Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
>>> spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
>>> Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
>>> might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
>>> good shape before any surgery.
>>> And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
>>> "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
>>> which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
>>> facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.
>>> I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
>>> kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
>>> cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
>>> and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
>>> using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
>>> the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
>>> they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
>>> don't know that.   I've had that happen.
>>> Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
>>> anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
>>> Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:
>>> ==================================
>>> "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
>>> possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
>>> due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
>>> undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
>>> sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
>>> by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
>>> If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
>>> sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
>>> supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem  
>>> with
>>> Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
>>> (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
>>> cats
>>> to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
>>> use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
>>> intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
>>> can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
>>> pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
>>> dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though."
>>> ==================================
>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>> Gloria
>>> On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:
>>>> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
>>>> honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but  
>>>> what
>>>> I must hear.
>>>> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because  
>>>> they
>>>> all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
>>>> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
>>>> have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
>>>> quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we  
>>>> got
>>>> them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a  
>>>> half
>>>> year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
>>>> caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months  
>>>> in a
>>>> foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
>>>> treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
>>>> strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
>>>> have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
>>>> read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
>>>> and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
>>>> scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
>>>> absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
>>>> the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
>>>> loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
>>>> cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
>>>> When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
>>>> horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
>>>> surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
>>>> under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
>>>> kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell  
>>>> she
>>>> has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
>>>> around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
>>>> outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is
>>>> ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them
>>>> and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get
>>>> out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to
>>>> find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
>>>> diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they
>>>> are inside or in the screened patio.
>>>> I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate
>>>> any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.
>>>> Many thanks
>>>> Lynne
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