Sounds good - better safe than sorry.


On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote:

> Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra  
> precautions are
> taken with cats like Persians.  The anesthetic used is Isoflorine  
> and she
> will be intubated.
> Lynne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gloria Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM
> Subject: Re: spaying
>> Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
>> spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
>> Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
>> might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
>> good shape before any surgery.
>> And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
>> "Persian eyes", meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
>> which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
>> facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.
>> I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
>> kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
>> cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
>> and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
>> using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
>> the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
>> they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
>> don't know that.   I've had that happen.
>>  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
>> anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
>> Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:
>> ==================================
>> "Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
>> possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
>> due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
>> undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
>> sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
>> by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
>> If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
>> sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
>> supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
>> Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
>> (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
>> cats
>> to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
>> use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
>> intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
>> can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
>> pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
>> dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though."
>> ==================================
>> Hope this is helpful.
>> Gloria
>> On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:
>>> Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
>>> honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
>>> I must hear.
>>> I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
>>> all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
>>> associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
>>> have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
>>> quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
>>> them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
>>> year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
>>> caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
>>> foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
>>> treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
>>> strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
>>> have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
>>> read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
>>> and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
>>> scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
>>> absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
>>> the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
>>> loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
>>> cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
>>> When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
>>> horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
>>> surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
>>> under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
>>> kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
>>> has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
>>> around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
>>> outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is
>>> ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them
>>> and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get
>>> out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to
>>> find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
>>> diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they
>>> are inside or in the screened patio.
>>> I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate
>>> any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.
>>> Many thanks
>>> Lynne
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