If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary 
tract problems. 

Gloria

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On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, "Bonnie Hogue" <ho...@sonic.net> wrote:

> The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
> put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black 
> light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
> I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
> hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she 
> dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, "Yes, he slobbers a lot."  So, maybe that 
> is the answer!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie" <at...@optonline.net>
> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
> 
> 
>> Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
>> to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with drool....if the
>> drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
>> 
>> Laurie
>> Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types
>> 
>> and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
>> Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
>> having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, "Wow,
>> I bet I could brush this cat's teeth."  Something I would never get away
>> with on my other cats.
>> Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
>> I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
>> Thanks for your insights.
>> ~Bonnie
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>> 
>> 
>>> Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
>>> his
>>> teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
>>> drool.
>>> The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
>>> She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
>>> L
>>> 
>>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>>> them
>>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>>> your
>>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
>>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> "Think like the
>>> cat and you will have your answer!" -- I like that!
>>> 
>>> This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
>>> much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
>>> Lucky
>>> lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
>>> drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
>>> see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
>>> just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
>>> expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
>>> But
>>> I might need to change the litter more.
>>> Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
>>> wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
>>> Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurieskatz" <lauriesk...@mchsi.com>
>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
>>>> box or an aversion to the box or litter.
>>>> Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
>>>> It
>>>> is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
>>>> I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where
>>>> she
>>>> had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
>>>> her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
>>>> something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
>>>> cat and you will have your answer!
>>>> L
>>>> 
>>>> "Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
>>>> untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
>>>> them
>>>> of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
>>>> yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
>>>> your
>>>> greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
>>>> traces
>>>> of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
>>>> us!"~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>> 
>>>> My experience:
>>>> Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being "indoor only."  She will occasionally
>>>> sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
>>>> min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.
>>>> 
>>>> Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's
>>>> never
>>>> offered to sneak out.
>>>> 
>>>> Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the
>>>> last
>>>> 
>>>> one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
>>>> home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
>>>> rush the door.
>>>> 
>>>> Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is
>>>> having
>>>> 
>>>> some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
>>>> expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
>>>> the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
>>>> behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
>>>> ruin what furniture I do have.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
>>>> attention tame them.
>>>> ~Bonnie
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been
>>>>> inside
>>>> 
>>>>> for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
>>>>> former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to
>>>>> being
>>>> 
>>>>> inside, but he was eventually fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Beth
>>>>> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now
>>>>> for
>>>>> cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
>>>>> abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
>>>>> near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
>>>>> one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that
>>>>> they
>>>>> don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs
>>>>> of
>>>>> experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
>>>>> rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some
>>>>> don't -
>>>>> but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
>>>>> accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an
>>>>> FeLV
>>>>> 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but
>>>>> Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to "almost house cat" status. He has
>>>>> the
>>>>> sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
>>>>> evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days
>>>>> has
>>>>> started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
>>>>> street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were
>>>>> planning
>>>>> on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the
>>>>> time
>>>>> to
>>>>> break the news to him....it's not safe for you to be out at all without
>>>>> your
>>>>> mom and dad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this
>>>>> point,
>>>>> we
>>>>> have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap
>>>>> him,
>>>>> couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the
>>>>> leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
>>>>> (picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to
>>>>> stress
>>>>> him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
>>>>> toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?
>>>>> 
>>>>> He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
>>>>> long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty
>>>>> would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
>>>>> various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse
>>>>> off,
>>>>> if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now
>>>>> has
>>>>> been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the
>>>>> ones
>>>>> that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act
>>>>> around another kitty.
>>>>> 
>>>>> so, in summary -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
>>>>> 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> thank you,
>>>>> Shannon and Whimsy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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