Those may be very reasonable options for a lot of people. However, I suspect you overestimate the resources available to everyone. Not everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who can/will attempt to trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a trip to the vet's every 2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed. Mass transit is not available everywhere.

I agree that it should be a last resort. However, I am not willing to condemn everyone who declaws.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:

A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it - surely a better option than putting a cat through such torture, not to mention complete personality change to being withdrawn, morose, or an unpredictable biter! Cat bites are
more dangerous than scratches any time!

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

That is a good option....if the owner is able to trim nails and put
SoftPaws on.  A lot of elderly people don't have the physical
dexterity or skills to trim nails.  In fact, I have watched young
people who could not master the task.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote:

A good solution for a problem as you mentioned, is trimming claws
and using
"SoftPaws" - declawing an older cat can be even worse than for a
kitten at
times...the pain after surgery is supposed to be absolutely
excruciating -
cats either climb the walls in the recover cage or sit in the corner,
completely catatonic (according to Dr.Nicholas Dodman).

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

I can see some times where it is either declaw the cat or end its
life.....for the safety of an elderly owner for example.  That being
said, Copper and Thomas have their claws and, with a little planning
re furniture, there has been no problem.  Dixie and Ebony kept theirs
too. Ebony caused some problems but, if I had known then what I know
now, I could have limited them.  It takes a little work and patience,
planning and thinking. I would encourage anyone who wanted a declawed
cat to try and get one that has already been declawed.
On Mar 23, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Natalie wrote:

That's horrible, and many people do not realize what it entails and
how many
cats lose their lives - they think it's a manicure...but many vets
are to
blame.  Several people told me that after adopting from us, they
went to
their own vet, and after telling them that the cats will be kept
only, the vets said "Oh, you have an option to declaw!"  Banfield
The group at Petsmart, offers a big special for "kitten health" -
all the
vaccines, exams, and declawing for a very good price!  I wrote to
them about
declawing; they wrote back with the most ridiculous comments.  If
would like to see their reply, I'll send it privately.  Last year, I
informed that they will no longer cut ears and tails on dogs,
because it's
purely cosmetic...I wrote to them, asking their policy on declawing
they have made that big leap on no longer mutilating dogs, they
might have
reconsidered doing it to reply from them.
O always ask people what they would prefer, a few things scratched
up or
urine-soaked carpets and furniture.....Besides, not all cats grow up
to be
scratchers...and providing good posts and trimming their nails works

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Natalie,  I am with you about the declawing.  Someone I know adopted
kittens from me and one died on the table during a declaw surgery.
Yes, I
HAD told her before hand "NO declawing" but people don't listen and
always know best, yadda yadda :(  Then they wonder why Buster is
peeing on
the bed and the floor because his paws hurt so badly from the
surgery.  SIGH

Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:55:49 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

Edna, that's exactly what I tell people about letting their cats
out just
because they want to. I ask them if they would allow their 3-yr old
in the middle of the street just because he/she wanted to? When I
the cat gets out", I tell them that they control the door, period!
adoption contract stipulates "strictly indoors" - but, there's no
real way
of enforcing it except to spot check wherever the cats live and
hope that
adopters understand the reasons for it. I have removed several
over the past 18 years. A friend, who also has a cat rescue group,
allow declawing (we don't either), came to her vet, and noticed one
of her
adopters picking up her cat after spaying....she looked into the
noticed the poor kittens front paws bandaged.....she gave her an
what was she to do, take the cat back and have this person declaw
another one? Since then, we made it perfectly clear to that
hospital that no cat that was adopted from us can be declawed, and
customer ask for it, we must be notified immediately! Thank God
that my
other veterinarian would never declaw!

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Edna
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Just because your kid likes to eat McDonald's every day or binge
drink or
drugs because it makes them happy is NOT a reason to allow it.  The
reasoning goes for cats, just because they LIKE it doesn't mean
it's good
for them.  My cats may be "prisoners" in my house but I sleep well
knowing they are loved and safe and from what I can tell, they are
freakin happy.  I have picked up enough broken and battered bodies
off the
roadways to know that NONE of my cats or fosters will EVER be
outside unless it is in a safe enclosure or on a leash.

There was a young "individual" (can't call him a man because real
men do
torture animals) in Dallas that took his neighbor's inside/outside
cat and
over a course of several hours beat and tortured the cat and video
entire thing.  THAT is what happens to outdoor cats.  While some
may be
lucky enough to escape being tortured, hit by cars, eaten by
coyotes or
hawks or owls, most do not escape this fate.

Sorry but I 100% DISAGREE with "cats are wild animals and need to
outside" point of view.

Just my 2 cents.


Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:13:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

As an adopter, my views on this are very strict and well-defined -
I am
responsible for placing cats in the safest possible homes, and I
less. I need to be able to sleep at night, knowing that the cats
that I
rescued and invested so much time, energy, and emotion will be
safe and
happy for a long time.
Yes, I agree, there still are a few safe area left, but not many
are 100% safe, ever. It is true that times used to be safer for
cats to
outdoors - ours always had been, especially when I was growing up,
of our kittens was killed by a car....Unfortunately, it takes many
understand this only after a tragedy occurs. When an adopter tells
their cat ALWAYS sat on the front porch, and never left....and they
to do the same with a new adopted cat, I say NO! Their old cat may
indeed done that, but it doesn't mean that a new cat will do it: It
ONLY ONE TIME - chasing a squirrel or bird across the street, and
Cats can be perfectly happy indoors with tall cat trees by a
window, a
window perch, the right kind of toys to keep them interested and
More and more people construct outdoor enclosures; simple ones to
elaborate ones, even just a little window screened porch. I don't
that cats need to hunt; if they are homeless and hungry, yes, but
need for a well-fed cat to kill small wildlife, not for food, but
and the reflex of chasing something (could be a toy).

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

This is a hot topic, but I agree humans and loss of habitat
are the main threat to birds.

As for keeping cats inside. I've had cats all my life and they
have always been indoor/outdoor cats. All of them have lived to
16 to 17 years of age unless they've had some genetic problem like
heart disease. My cats were all rescues and they lived outside
before I had them, and they are totally miserable inside.

It's really only the last couple decades that cats have been living indoors, but the invention of cat litter and urban sprawl have made
us think all cats have the perfect life indoors, when in reality,
cats are happier if they can live outdoors. They are programmed to
hunt small animals....which is the best nutrition for them. They
to climb trees, stalk at night with their night vision, and be
Cats were not made for sitting in a window sill, and a prison is a
prison no matter how many cat toys and kitty kondos we buy for

It's true that some outdoor cats have a shorter life expectancy,
this mostly depends on where they live. If they live in a safe area
with little or no traffic then I feel they should be allowed to be
outside. There are some cats who will never willingly settle for
indoor life. We live in the middle of the woods on a dead end road
with no traffic and our cats are allowed to go outside. I rarely
them catch a bird, but they catch many mice & moles. I feel sad to
see anything killed, but cats and dogs are predators and this is
they were designed to do.


Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one
killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for

Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds

SomeWhere Sam

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