I didn't say that I would, I wrote: "... but sometimes I wonder whether I
might almost rather see them dead than declawed....but I'd beg someone to
take the cat first."
This is obviously a very touchy subject with strong opinions, which will not
be changed.


-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of TANYA NOE
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; me
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: FW: Keep Cats Indoors



--- On Thu, 3/24/11, TANYA NOE <sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: TANYA NOE <sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:09 AM
> Personally I would never rather see a
> cat dead than see it declawed. People lose limbs all the
> time and go on living, most people would choose to live
> missing a limb or limbs rather than die. Animals are no
> different, they will chew off a limb to live. 
> There are people who love their pets and their immune
> systems can not handle the scratches or the children in the
> home are not safe because of it's scratching. There are also
> a lot of cats that are nasty scratchers for no apparent
> reason and no matter what you do you can't break them of it.
> 
> Declawing is amputation but most cats recover from it and
> live out their lives just fine without lingering pain or
> litterbox issues. With good pain meds, a competent Vet, and
> love and compassion most cats do well. I am not a declaw
> advocate but understand that sometimes it may be the price
> one pays for a good home. Many cats get dumped at kill
> shelters because they wont quit scratching and being
> destructive. It is far better to be declawed than to be
> killed and never have had the experience of a home and of
> being loved. 
> T
> --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Natalie <at...@optonline.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Keep Cats Indoors
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:07 AM
> > Personally, if I had to make such a
> > choice - having my cat that I have loved
> > for years go though such pain and torture, I would
> rather
> > get a home for the
> > cat and adopt one that is already declawed - there
> are
> > quite a few that are
> > in desperate need for homes because they've been
> abandoned
> > for so many
> > reasons! But that's me; I hate to say it, but
> sometimes I
> > wonder whether I
> > might almost rather see them dead than declawed....but
> I'd
> > beg someone to
> > take the cat first.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:25 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> > 
> > I deal with ferals too and all of my house cats have
> been
> > ferals. One  
> > cost me two surgeries thanks to biting through a
> > finger...my fault not  
> > hers.  A lot of older people are on blood thinners,
> > have extremely  
> > "thin skin" etc.  I've been scratched more times
> than
> > I can count.  
> > Obviously, you have been blessed.  I'm in my 50's
> and
> > recover fairly  
> > easily.  I know of too many older people without
> > sufficient support  
> > who can't recover quickly.  I suspect it has to do
> > with the overall  
> > health of the individual and the personality of the
> > cat.  Personally,  
> > I have seen my mother bleed for hours from various
> (for
> > me)  
> > insignificant cuts.  As I said, declawing should be
> > the last resort  
> > but there are times I feel it is justified.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 23, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Natalie wrote:
> > 
> > > That is true, but I don't understand why an old
> person
> > can't have a  
> > > cat with
> > > claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have
> > never been bitten or
> > > scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs
> old. 
> > And as I said,  
> > > bites are a
> > > natural defense for declawed cats!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:40 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
> > >
> > > Those may be very reasonable options for a lot
> of
> > people.  However, I
> > > suspect you overestimate the resources available
> to
> > everyone.  Not
> > > everyone can drive; not everyone has someone who
> > can/will attempt to
> > > trim a cat's nails; not everyone can afford a
> trip to
> > the vet's every
> > > 2-4 weeks; and not every cat can be rehomed. 
> > Mass transit is not
> > > available everywhere.
> > >
> > > I agree that it should be a last resort. 
> > However, I am not willing to
> > > condemn everyone who declaws.
> > > On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:25 PM, Natalie wrote:
> > >
> > >> A vet, a vet tech, or a friend could do it -
> > surely a better option
> > >> than
> > >> putting a cat through such torture, not to
> mention
> > complete
> > >> personality
> > >> change to being withdrawn, morose, or an
> > unpredictable biter!  Cat
> > >> bites are
> > >> more dangerous than scratches any time!
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 6:14 PM
> > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats
> Indoors
> > >>
> > >> That is a good option....if the owner is able
> to
> > trim nails and put
> > >> SoftPaws on.  A lot of elderly people don't
> > have the physical
> > >> dexterity or skills to trim nails.  In
> fact,
> > I have watched young
> > >> people who could not master the task.
> > >> On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Natalie wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> A good solution for a problem as you
> > mentioned, is trimming claws
> > >>> and using
> > >>> "SoftPaws" - declawing an older cat can
> be
> > even worse than for a
> > >>> kitten at
> > >>> times...the pain after surgery is
> supposed to
> > be absolutely
> > >>> excruciating -
> > >>> cats either climb the walls in the
> recover
> > cage or sit in the  
> > >>> corner,
> > >>> completely catatonic (according to
> Dr.Nicholas
> > Dodman).



      

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