Hi, everyone - I am back!  Irene really socked it to us - no power from
Sunday 3 AM until Thursday afternoon and cable only yesterday
afternoon...and without cable, we had no telephones!  Now I'm going through
a week's worth of mail, which is quite a daunting enterprise!
I hope that everyone else who was in Irene's path is OK!
Natalie 

-----Original Message-----
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

OK Thanks - yup I like Twinlab.

Gloria



On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Marcia wrote:

> Super b complex by twinlab. I ordered from amazon. U can get a  
> twinpack. Gmc also makes liquid b's with more b12 but not as wide a  
> spectrum of the different b's. I just give the b12 separate. Cat  
> dose is 1/10 of human dose.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, "Gloria B. Lane" <gbl...@aristotle.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Which liquid human B's?  I might like to get some - like from the  
>> drug store, etc?
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Marcia wrote:
>>
>>> Gloria
>>> I got on a CRf site that I've used and they recommended human b's.  
>>> So I am giving him liquid b complex and also the methyl b 12 since  
>>> the bcomplex isn't high in b12. I also ordered wellness canned  
>>> food. He has eaten twice today. I mix it with water for fluids.  
>>> But I do have to stick it under his nose and hold the bowl for him  
>>> (and I don't mind). (-:
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:32 PM, "Gloria B. Lane"  
>>> <gbl...@aristotle.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm.  Think blood work would add some insight into things like  
>>>> potassium, blood counts.  Can see if anemic, etc. Good that his  
>>>> gums are pink.  Not sure about the baby aspirin, maybe she's  
>>>> assuming pain?
>>>>
>>>> How bout some Pettinic or something like that with b vitamins  
>>>> possibly?
>>>>
>>>> Gloria
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> She did not do lab work. She said it won't make any difference  
>>>>> in the way he will be treated. She had not heard of the ltci but  
>>>>> did seem interested after reading through some of the data. She  
>>>>> immediately got on the computer to look it up. My a ppt was at  
>>>>> the end of the day so she said she wasn't to sure she could even  
>>>>> talk to them and may not be able to until Tuesday because of the  
>>>>> holiday. I think that they think he is too far gone. But how  
>>>>> could it be that Thursday morning he comes up the stairs, rubs  
>>>>> all over my legs, purrs and now he can't walk without stumbling  
>>>>> all over? That makes no sense to me. Could it be that he is low  
>>>>> on potassium? But how, when he had fluids? Maybe he has a brain  
>>>>> tumor or something. He just peed on my couch twice. Just laid  
>>>>> there and did it. Not like him. She also said he is not anemic.  
>>>>> His nose is very pink and his gums are pink. Well that's all I  
>>>>> know. Oh, I did just give him 500 mcg of methyl B12. It won't  
>>>>> hurt!  She also told me to give him 81 mg of baby aspirin 2X a  
>>>>> week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks you guys for listening(-:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:02 AM, "Gloria B. Lane" <gbl...@aristotle.net 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> I was thinking about that.  I haven't been following all of  
>>>>>> this, but with anemia, that's what I did with Mittens (a long  
>>>>>> time ago).  Some vets just aren't really willing or able to try  
>>>>>> and help a sick FELV cat - though they might be trainable :)  
>>>>>> You can of course give him sub-q fluids at home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My vet said that we could do a couple of blood  
>>>>>> transfusions, ,but that no more than that.  Not sure why - for  
>>>>>> biological reasons or practical reasons.  but a transfusion  
>>>>>> might pump him up till he could get LTCI or interferon or  
>>>>>> something.  Course as I recall, interferon alpha is more of a  
>>>>>> preventative than a treatment. Not sure about interferon omega.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gloria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcia,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has Fletch had a blood transfusion yet? I've heard this helps  
>>>>>>> tremendously. Did your vet tell you she will order the LCTI?  
>>>>>>> Did she do any lab work to find out what his blood cell counts  
>>>>>>> are?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He may have not cried all the way there because he is too  
>>>>>>> weak.  I'm so sorry he is such bad shape!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my opinion, just go with your heart. I know you don't want  
>>>>>>> the poor little guy to suffer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hugs~
>>>>>>> Lynda
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Baronda"
<marciabmar...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 9:17 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>>> I hope everyone and all kitties are happy and doing well.   
>>>>>>>> I'm really afraid that I am going to lose Fletch. I took him  
>>>>>>>> back to the vet yesterday for sub q fluids. He had a temp of  
>>>>>>>> over 105. Bonier than what he was last week. She gave him a  
>>>>>>>> long lasting penicillin shot. She did mention that most  
>>>>>>>> people don't mess with it, they euthanize. He didn't cry all  
>>>>>>>> the way there (25 miles) which is highly unusual. I gave her  
>>>>>>>> the info on LCTI and she was on the computer looking it up  
>>>>>>>> when I left. I asked just HOW sick is fletch and she said  
>>>>>>>> VERY. When I got him home he was extremely off balance and  
>>>>>>>> couldn't navigate. He wasn't like that the day before. His  
>>>>>>>> quality of life sucks! It's hard for me to tell if this is  
>>>>>>>> permanent or just a passing bacterial infection. Opinions  
>>>>>>>> from the experts? (all of you)(-:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>>>>> Marcia
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:13 PM, katskat1 <katsk...@gmail.com>  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is each vial an individual dose or are there multiple doses  
>>>>>>>>> per vial?
>>>>>>>>> I am afraid this is way too expensive for my unemployment  
>>>>>>>>> check but
>>>>>>>>> want the info if I have to try to find a way to obtain it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO <hideyo.yamam...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, I just ordered 10 vials for $420 plus shipping through  
>>>>>>>>>> a distributor in
>>>>>>>>>> Texas, let me know if someone needs more infor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:58:05 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for  
>>>>>>>>>> the last few weeks
>>>>>>>>>> of his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he  
>>>>>>>>>> might have lived a
>>>>>>>>>> bit longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer:
www.tcyte.com 
>>>>>>>>>>  -
>>>>>>>>>> if your vet will order it, they will overnight the  
>>>>>>>>>> medication to the vet.  I
>>>>>>>>>> was paying roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days.  
>>>>>>>>>> It is possible
>>>>>>>>>> to be more aggressive with the treatment and administer it  
>>>>>>>>>> daily. The other
>>>>>>>>>> up-side to this medication is that it is administered via  
>>>>>>>>>> sub-cutaneous
>>>>>>>>>> injection - immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV  
>>>>>>>>>> injection. The
>>>>>>>>>> IV injection will stress the kitty out about 1000 times  
>>>>>>>>>> more than a sub-q
>>>>>>>>>> injection. Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever  
>>>>>>>>>> after each dose -
>>>>>>>>>> something he didn't need and quickly wore him out.  Tcyte  
>>>>>>>>>> can also slow the
>>>>>>>>>> inevitable appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer.  Many  
>>>>>>>>>> benefits with this
>>>>>>>>>> stuff.  Please call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are  
>>>>>>>>>> very helpful and
>>>>>>>>>> will give you all the info you need.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- My iPhone told me to send this message. --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda
<marciabmar...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone
>>>>>>>>>> I really need some help.
>>>>>>>>>> fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he  
>>>>>>>>>> hides in the
>>>>>>>>>> basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his  
>>>>>>>>>> antibiotic because i
>>>>>>>>>> cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of  
>>>>>>>>>> his backbone and
>>>>>>>>>> his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as  
>>>>>>>>>> well. I don't know
>>>>>>>>>> what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He  
>>>>>>>>>> acts like the
>>>>>>>>>> base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he  
>>>>>>>>>> had never seen
>>>>>>>>>> such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic,  
>>>>>>>>>> this amoxi isn't
>>>>>>>>>> working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to  
>>>>>>>>>> be a teensy bit of
>>>>>>>>>> improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day  
>>>>>>>>>> I took him to
>>>>>>>>>> the vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should  
>>>>>>>>>> discuss with my
>>>>>>>>>> vet? Is it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my  
>>>>>>>>>> poor little cat is
>>>>>>>>>> wasting away here fast and there's something else I can be  
>>>>>>>>>> doing for him
>>>>>>>>>> What do I do????
>>>>>>>>>> Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much
>>>>>>>>>> Marcia
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
<hideyo.yamam...@msn.com 
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where do you guys get LTCI?
>>>>>>>>>> the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set  
>>>>>>>>>> - they used to
>>>>>>>>>> have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you  
>>>>>>>>>> tell me where is the
>>>>>>>>>> best place to get LTCI?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hideyo
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marcia Baronda
>>>>>>>>>> Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> 1550 S 2700 Rd.
>>>>>>>>>> Herington, Kansas 67449
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 785-466-2501
>>>>>>>>>> Cell:    785-230-6499
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion  
>>>>>>>>>> animals. As a
>>>>>>>>>> veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these  
>>>>>>>>>> wonderful beings who
>>>>>>>>>> inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with  
>>>>>>>>>> us. It is my
>>>>>>>>>> conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals,  
>>>>>>>>>> domesticated or
>>>>>>>>>> wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their  
>>>>>>>>>> ability to benefit
>>>>>>>>>> humans. They have the same right to exist as we do."  Don  
>>>>>>>>>> Hamilton DVM
>>>>>>>>>>
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