Around 12 years ago, that was the method San Antonio's Animal Control facility 
used to kill cats and dogs.  They hooked a pick-up truck to an opening in the 
wall of a small room.  They filled the room with unwanted cats and dogs - all 
together, not even separating them by species, and turned on the truck's 
engine.  They then shoveled the animals out onto another pick-up and off to the 
landfill they went.  Some were only half dead.  When this horror was exposed to 
the public, 200 people showed up in a protest rally and kept showing up until a 
regular gas chamber was installed.  Then we had to do it all over to get the 
death by lethal injection method approved. San Antonio is finally realizing 
that death is not the answer at all but they are still using the injection to 
kill.  More advanced thinking people are now trying to get the pound to go 
no-kill.  Unfortunately, most of the officers there are left over from the ugly 
past and catch and kill
 still prevails. But at least the City has recognized TNR as a legitimate way 
to deal with Community Cats (formerly known as ferals).  Maybe someday.....

 From: "" <>
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
Your place sounds great!  Just wish it was that way all over the world.  I live 
in a rural area and strays don't fare too well.  If they are a problem, they 
get shot, especially cats.  Hunters consider them good practice for hunting 
season.  Just learned couple of months age that one community doesn't have a 
no-kill or kill shelter, they just start up a car and stick their noses in the 
tailpipe - dogs and cats.  A group of us are working on stopping that one.  
Problem is that so many here don't consider that wrong, just one of the facts 
of life.  Wish I could win the sweepstakes, I would take on all orphans and 
strays, human and animal.

---- GRAS <> wrote: 
> We built 4 cat condos in our large garage. They don't sit in cages - those
> are small rooms with cubicles, shelves, scratch posts, etc.  There's
> full-spectrum lighting new  cats, cats that need medications in their food
> (or else others would eat it, or they recuperate from surgeries, dentals,
> spay/neuters..) I also use large cages to acclimate them to a group of cats
> - they get to know one another safely; then I open the door.cats either
> leave or they don't - until they are ready.  Others will come into the cage
> to keep thyme company, etc. We also have a bathroom with a screen door to a
> room where we spend a lot of time - for terminally sick cats or very old
> cats that need special care and don't want them to be alone, or introducing
> cats to the others. We also have a large cat room with outdoor access. A
> FIV+ room,, etc. If no room, then there's always a bathroom to use in an
> emergency.
> Unfortunately, many shelters don't even try finding's easier to
> just kill them.  We had to force the town shelter to have weekend hours
> because people work. 
> Etc. etc. etc.
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:51 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the
> stray cats
> <<They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how
> long. >>
> I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in
> jail, etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not
> all open policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there.
> No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I
> don't work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's.
> Cats don't do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating
> and being socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be.
> But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which
> leads to disease. They know that or should know it.
> Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms,
> ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick
> ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small
> rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats,
> she was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during
> quarantine(10 days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat
> she could bear, doesn't like much other cats.
> She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last
> week that family showed up and she was adopted.
> In your situation I'd ask a  no-kill shelter, true most are full but you
> never know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is
> the best alternative. Where are you at?
> Marta
>  <>
> I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it.  
> RE:  taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here,
> they are not able to take on any more dogs or cats.  Everyone who has lost
> ajob, home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the
> shelter.  You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially
> if they are not socialized.  That takes time and that means time in cages.
> I took 2 from P.A.L.S..  I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with
> both Lil Bit and Casey.  They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8
> other cats for over a year.  Lil Bit is just now moving around the house
> because she is so small (6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT
> being allowed to bully everyone.  I just wish people would bring a short
> letter giving information about their pets so the adopter would understand
> why they are the way they are.  Often they are misunderstood and end up back
> at the shelter because people do not have the patience to try to understand
> them
> ---- dot winkler <> wrote: 
> > Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes
> for the 7 cats i feed every day.  They are all so beautiful and quite
> healthy looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food.  At least 3
> of them are very friendly and the others are coming around, too.  Anyone
> have any input about how to place these cats?  I hate to bring them to a
> shelter even if it's no kill.  They will just sit in a cage until they get
> adopted for god knows how long.  It's very hard feeding every day.  It's
> just me and my husband.  We can never go away anywhere now because of it.
> What are your experiences?  Dotty
> ________________________________

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