Thanks for your note Lee.  I am an "old hand" when it comes to long term
care for a sick cat.  We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with
CRF and a heart condition.  I cannot count the number of subQ sessions,
pills, and assisted feedings I did.  Through all of it I educated myself on
every aspect of the disease and treatments.  Our first vet told us we have
3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more.  I also went through several
vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try.

All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever.  On
Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal.  What could be made from
this?  He did get a antibiotic shot.  I assumed that the fever was being
caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else.

Thanks again.
Don and Oliver

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans <> wrote:

> I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver.  First
> of all, I would just  like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad
> idea.  It turns the cat positive on testing.  If the cat gets lost, picked
> up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by
> any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then
> the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control.  So please don't use
> this vaccine.  It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is
> what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into
> blood vessels.
> OK.  Back to Oliver.  Since you didn't have him tested when you originally
> offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years
> and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so
> don't worry yourself too much.  One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He
> had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative.  The disease sometimes
> hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become
> very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death.
> Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him
> and he was FeLv+.  However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal
> failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and
> antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats.  They ate, drank together and
> used each others litter boxes.  They groomed each other and slept
> together.  They were like one big family.  None of the other cats ever
> tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed.  The
> very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the
> rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and
> peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress.  Whatever
> medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it.  This is only
> my own opinion.  You have to take into account what your vet tells you
> also.  It may or may not be  FeLv that has become active.  It could be an
> ordinary virus or bacterial infection.  Vets tend to jump on the first
> thing that they are taught might be fatal.  I have quite a few FIV+ cats.
> Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of
> course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats.  Which
> isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more
> often than the FIV+ cats.  I have learned not to do battle with old
> fashioned thinking in veterinarians.  But I do gently remind them that I
> have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but
> URI.  I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts.  Just keep on loving him
> and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong.
> Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
> neighbors too!
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Don <>
> *To:*
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
> Hello.
> Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF
> last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had
> been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15
> this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm
> to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a
> virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell
> count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature).
> He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it
> out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap
> far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad
> news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the
> FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has),
> but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and
> the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
> he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
> symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see
> much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the
> blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next
> week.
> Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few
> weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be
> losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic,
> but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win.
> Here are my questions:
> 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
> (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).  Are
> they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe?  We
> have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate
> water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
> 2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
> become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
> have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way
> he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
> 3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box,
> etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is
> this just a false hope.
> 4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
> treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
> although there appear to be no major side effects.
> Thanks.
> Don and Oliver
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