Thank you. As you know, these things always come up on weekends or the vet't office is not open and I have learned to do all I can do to prepare for these events.
---- Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > The shelf life of the pill form is years. That's how long I had had the > Winstrol in my drawer which I initially used on Zander. As long as the pills > remain dry, they are fine. > > I don't know about the injectable form though. I would assume it is still > extremely stable but if possible, I would try to get the pill form if you > want to keep some "just in case". As you can guess given my good experience > with the medication, I always keep it on hand and have used it on several > occasions when I felt that a cat in my care might benefit from its use. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: November-01-15 6:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > > lThanks for the info. Next question, how long is it's shelf life. n > otherowrds, can I order some for just in case? > > ---- Marsha <[email protected]> wrote: > > I just got information from one of my vets on where to get Winstrol / > > stanozolol in the US. Roadrunner compounding pharmacy does an oral > > liquid version. $98 for a 60 day supply. The vet has to order it for > > you from the compounder, but if you want it shipped directly to you, > > then you pay the pharmacy directly. Some vets only work with one > > specific compounding pharmacy due to a contract with them. I assume > > that gets them special deals on prices, but I don't know. I will be > > checking around some more, because I don't think they use Roadrunner > > where I am taking Peaches to see the oncologist. > > > > Marsha > > > > On 10/31/2015 11:56 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Hi Jane > > > > > > The Winstrol is not expensive. It is usually about 50 cents a pill. You > > > give 2 pills a day usually - 1 mg doses. > > > > > > It is given long term and the cats can stay on it for months if > > > needed. My first cat, with FeLV, was on it for more than 8 months > > > before I felt like he was out of the woods with very good red cell > > > counts, haematocrit levels and good platelet numbers. (His white > > > cells were affected as well but not as dramatically so this wasn't a > > > big concern for me, but others will may see a bigger effect in white > > > cells or the component neutrophil/leukoctyte numbers.) > > > > > > You don't NEED to do weekly serial bloodwork as I did if you don't > > > want to. I had blood work done weekly because I was basically trying > > > to figure out what was working with Zander. When he got his blood > > > transfusions, I had to track where he was in his haematocrit and RBC > > > numbers, to see when he needed more blood. At the same time, though, > > > I was giving him Interferon and the weekly bloodwork also allowed me > > > to analyze if there was any kind of response to the Interferon. > > > There wasn't. I therefore moved on to giving him LTCI. Again, no > > > response in the bloodwork. When I put him on the Winstrol, I saw an > > > immediate response, and I was able to track it to confirm that it > > > wasn't just an initial blip. If I would have graphed his haematocrit > > > and RBC levels, the graph would have shown a beautiful steady > > > gradual increase in both those levels until his values crossed into > > > the normal threshold and stayed there. I was also watching his > > > reticulocyte count which had been "0", showing NO b > on > > e > > > marrow production of red cells. That slowly began to rise with the > > > Winstrol. > > > > > > Unfortunately, the downside to monitoring the blood work so closely > > > is that invariably, the Winstrol will likely cause an elevation in > > > liver enzymes. Because the vets have all been told that Winstrol > > > will cause liver damage, this causes a knee jerk reaction and they > > > immediately respond by advising that Winstrol should be > > > discontinued. I never listened to them. With Zander, there were no > > > other options so if the Winstrol wasn't going to work, he was > > > clearly going to weaken and die. With my other cat with the nasal > > > sarcoma, who again had her liver enzymes peak on the Winstrol, she > > > was going to stop eating if not on the Winstrol and I would lose her > > > anyway. I therefore refused to discontinue the Winstrol when the > > > liver enzymes went up. What I did do for the cat with sarcoma, was > > > temporarily stop the Winstrol to allow the liver enzymes to drop, > > > and then started her on it again. Though the enzymes increased once > > > I re-started, they didn't go up to the high levels we had seen ini > ti > > al > > > ly. > > > > > > With Zander who remained on Winstrol for most of his life after his > > > severe anemic crisis, I never had any liver problems - just the rise of > > > the liver enzymes which would subside upon discontinuation of the > > > Winstrol. I would wean him off and let him go for several months without > > > the Winstrol and start him on it again if I noticed his ears, gums and > > > pads were looking pale. I also used it on him when he injured a ligament > > > in his knee when he was about 6 years old, and the vet was recommending > > > surgery. Again, I got a good result with the Winstrol for that. (Repair > > > of muscles and ligaments is one of the reasons athletes use this stuff.) > > > The knee was never 100%, but it was say 85 to 90% better with the > > > Winstrol (just a slight limp remaining which could be seen only from time > > > to time) but Zander avoided the surgery which isn't always effective). > > > > > > I would recommend that you do monitor your cat's bloodwork to confirm > > > that the Winstrol is actually working, but you don't need to do the > > > bloodwork weekly as I did, unless you want to. Though I am obviously a > > > fan of what the medication has done for several of my cats, I expect that > > > it may not work in every situation. However, don't give up immediately if > > > you don't see a bump up in red cells or reticulocyte count, etc. I would > > > give it for at least a month before I would conclude it is not working, > > > and I would only conclude that if the haematology results show no > > > improvement from the initial set of results. Also monitor your cat's food > > > intake and mood, since I also found an excellent effect on those things > > > from the Winstrol. > > > > > > Without the close observation of the haematology values, you can still > > > track the effect of the Winstrol on things like your cat's food intake > > > and general well-being, and check the colour of his pads, gums and inside > > > of the ears for signs of pinking up (unless yours is a black cat, in > > > which case, you are probably limited to checking the gums). > > > > > > There are some comments from others on this chatline, indicating > > > that with anemic cats, you want to be careful of the amount of blood > > > that is being drawn for tests. I agree with those comments, but > > > generally speaking, the amount of blood removed for testing, even > > > weekly, should not have much of an effect on a cat - even one that > > > is anemic. For me, it was important, with Zander to closely monitor > > > the bloodwork, because though I gave each medication lots of time to > > > show a response, I didn't want to keep Zander on stuff that wasn't > > > actually helping. In my view, he didn't have much time to respond, > > > and so I didn't want to be misled into believing that one of the > > > other medications was helping just because he might appear to be > > > looking a bit better or eating a bit more, but his blood counts were > > > not improving. I was just as prepared to move to something else if > > > the Winstrol wasn't going to have any effect. Note, however, that > > > unlike the Interferon and the LTCI, I didn't put Zan > de > > r > > > on the Winstrol because I actually thought it would help in anything > > > other than appetite stimulation. The effect I saw was entirely > > > unexpected. I therefore thought I had stumbled on something unknown when > > > I got this great response to the Winstrol, and that's why I was so > > > annoyed when I found out a year later that the vets knew about this stuff > > > but were not suggesting it, despite the fact that the alternatives for > > > FeLV were very expensive and not particularly effective in most cases. > > > > > > I also think that having done this close monitoring of his bloodwork > > > helped to convince my vet that the Winstrol was actually helping, rather > > > than my subjective observations. Seeing the steady rise of the red cells, > > > the haematocrit, PCV, reticulocyte and platelet values, that started just > > > days after I put Zander on Winstrol, was extremely persuasive evidence > > > that I wasn't crazy when I reported that Zander was doing better. I think > > > this is one of the main reasons my vet now gives me great support > > > regarding treating my cats. She will ask for my input and is not > > > surprised when I want to try the Winstrol in other situations, and when I > > > report to her that it has been helpful or effective. > > > > > > Please keep us informed of your own experience with Winstrol, so that we > > > can figure out if it is generally effective or whether I just have been > > > particularly lucky with its use. > > > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
