Rachel I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.
Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very expensive)chemo on two of their cats, and they did not do well, they suffered as my parents had a hard time giving up, they live with a lot of guilt for the lack of QOL. I know this is not always the case and many animals do extremely well and even go into remission, you just never know how an animal will respond or how long they will last. If Tucker does not continue to do well on his current path I might consider trying traditional, if I can somehow do it through my vet, you never know I am only on day 17 and it has been a rough journey. It would cost me about 1,000.00 just to go and get an ultrasound and biopsy from a specialist, and I am not by any means wealthy and have pulled a significant amount from my retirement account to try to save Tucker from his urinary issues, and that turned out bad anyways. Thank you for the info and understanding Margo and I will for sure check out Holisticat as well. -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 7:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless It's very personal, and sometimes difficult choice. I don't know what my choice would be for me, but for my animals I have chosen chemo in many cases, and likely will again. I'm also not sure it's fair to compare "human" chemo protocols to those used in Veterinary Medicine. For the Vets, the goal is to extend QUALITY life, not necessarily cure. So the treatments are calibrated to balance the positive and the negative. For humans, it's an all out attempt to kill the cancer without killing the patient, but they pretty much push it to the edge of what people will/can tolerate. For animals, it's to find the highest dose they can tolerate WITHOUT compromising QOL. I had a great Vet, who would use the allopathic chemos, and back it up with Traditional Chinese Medicine and alternative options. She was trained in both and had no problem using them in a complimentary manner. I understand choosing not to use chemo, and while I would encourage someone to research and consider, I would TRY not to push. If it's the yahoo Feline Lymphoma Group, yes, they can be pushy. I think it's because they have seen such good results that they can't understand someone who won't even do a trial. But they should back off when asked, and hopefully send the person to a different source. Does HolistiCat still exist? They used to have a wide range of opinions. Okay, yup! http://www.holisticat.com/en/ If you haven't already tried them, they might be more supportive of your decisions. In any case, I hope that you find a way... Margo -----Original Message----- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: May 6, 2016 2:40 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless > >Do what you think is best for both of you. I will always avoid chemo >and the "proven" treatments because of my own experience with chemo. I >will never go through that again nor wold I put anyone I love through >it. Firt, all the chemos they used on me did not work, all that >suffering for nothing. My oncologist has agreed that if it comes back, >she will follow me on my choice of alternaitive medicine. Drs. only >accept their ways, chemo, surgery and radiation. > >---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: >> I agree Rachel. We have all posted about different treatments, and >> our experiences with them, but it is up to everyone to decide how >> they want to proceed. >> >> Amani >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of swacht >> Sent: May-05-16 8:49 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless >> >> Rachel please don’t apologize - I can't speak for everyone else - but >> I'll bet everyone has walked in your shoes - you have every right to >> be upset - it is a shame everyone doesn't understand - but this group does. >> Hang in there. >> Sandy W >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:39 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless >> >> That is wonderful they stayed negative. My mom told me not to take in >> anymore strays after what I have been through with Tucker. And I >> admit it has been so hard and sad and stressful, not to mention crazy >> expensive. >> But if Tucker goes (ok now I am crying again!) , if another cat comes >> along and looks at me and asks for help I wouldn't hesitate, through >> health problems, heartache or whatever. I joined another support >> group today for lymphoma and I have gotten the opposite of support >> because I don't have him on chemo. I feel like I have gotten the >> opposite of support everywhere I have turned online, except my >> friends and family. I feel really hurt by how unfeeling humans can >> be. I guess that's why I love animals so much. Tucker is out here on >> my screened porch with me happy as a clam, probably wondering why I >> can't quit crying. It's time for me to give him his worst parent in >> the world treatment. Maybe I should get off of all of these "support" >> groups. They are making me miserable. Sorry, I know I totally barged >> in and vented on this post. I am just feeling really upset. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On May 5, 2016, at 8:10 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> >> > <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote: >> > >> > I mix my positive with my 3 negatives and for 5 years, none of them >> > have turned. I agree that if she turned them over, he/she would be >> > euthanized just because of the FELV. It is a shame that more vets >> > are not up to date on info about this. >> > >> > >> > ---- "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I messaged with someone from the group who has talked to Sharon, >> >> although not in the last couple of days. She does not want to >> >> surrender her animals to Charleston Animal Society because they >> >> would require her to sign a form stating they could be euthanized >> >> if sick. >> >> She most likely has the FeLV positive cat mixed with the negatives. >> >> The positive cat needs vet care. >> >> She >> >> needs to rehome some of her pets because there are pet limits for >> >> most of the housing assistance places that were suggested by this >> >> other person. >> >> The >> >> positive cat is probably the least likely to find a home (Assuming >> >> the other 4 are still negative) so maybe folks on this list can >> >> help network him. He is 9 yrs old, tuxedo, named Thomas. >> >> If you'd like a photo, email me off list. >> >> >> >> Thank you Amani and Margo for your help so far! >> >> >> >>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Rachel Dagner >> >>> <rdag...@novahrc.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I just looked up Rustic Hollow, what a wonderful place! I wish I >> >>> could quit my job and go live there myself! Or if one of these >> >>> darn lotto tickets would come through I could start my own maybe >> >>> Sandy Paws of Florida. >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On >> >>> Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net >> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:57 PM >> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>> homeless >> >>> >> >>> How well I know. Having to pay for a new roof hs put me close to >> >>> that point. I am minding my finances and not buying anything >> >>> until I get past the roof, hospital (fell and broke arm)copays. >> >>> It can happen so fast. >> >>> When >> >>> I get bck on my feet, will try to help her. This has been my >> >>> greatest fear, what would happen to my 4 cats if something >> >>> hqppened to me. Trying to set up an account to transport them to >> >>> Rustic Hollow and pay for their care when they get there. >> >>> >> >>> ---- Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: >> >>>> Hi Margo >> >>>> >> >>>> I intend to raise enough money to give them a decent enough >> >>>> cushion to >> >>> pay >> >>>> for those monthly amounts, for at least one year, and hopefully >> >>>> two. I am great at online auctions, so if they have those in the >> >>>> nearby >> >>> communities, >> >>>> I can easily pick up good furniture/dishes, etc., for low >> >>>> numbers, so >> >>> that >> >>>> shouldn’t be a big issue. >> >>>> >> >>>> I figure that this woman was renting so there must be some >> >>>> source of >> >>> money >> >>>> in the future. If she and her son have enough of a cushion, this >> >>>> helps people catch their breath and get back on their feet. It >> >>>> is easy to get a little bit behind every week on bills and >> >>>> expenses, until suddenly it becomes an insurmountable amount. If >> >>>> she was looking after these animals and her son, there was >> >>>> obviously some money for food, etc. >> >>>> >> >>>> Amani >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On >> >>>> Behalf Of Margo >> >>>> Sent: May-05-16 12:01 PM >> >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>>> homeless >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I will be happy to help (although humans aren't usually my thing >> >>>> <g>). >> >>>> >> >>>> My concern is how the family will cope in the future. Can they >> >>>> afford the >> >>>> $350 a month, plus utilities, food and pet food? Would this be >> >>>> "rented" >> >>> to >> >>>> them, or lent, or rent with option? I'm not trying to be a wet >> >>>> blanket, but even tho I'm also in SC, I'm to far to be of actual >> >>>> on-site use. >> >>>> >> >>>> I just want to try to make this a re-homing, not just a foster >> >>>> situation. >> >>>> Told you people aren't my forte... >> >>>> >> >>>> Margo >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: Amani Oakley >> >>>> Sent: May 5, 2016 11:32 AM >> >>>> To: >> >>>> "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>>> homeless >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Katherine >> >>>> >> >>>> I have not heard from Sharon, but I have heard back from my >> >>>> former client in South Carolina, who has done a lot of research >> >>>> for me (bless her >> >>>> soul) >> >>>> and come up with a number of options. The best one she presented >> >>>> to me >> >>> was >> >>>> a 2 bedroom used mobile home in Summerville for about $7,000 >> >>>> U.S. This is obviously quite inexpensive, and she says it >> >>>> probably needs new carpeting and a new air conditioning system, >> >>>> but probably for about $10,000 to >> >>>> $12,000 U.S., with furniture, it is a good option. There is also >> >>>> a >> >>> monthly >> >>>> fee for the lot, which is usually around $350 a month but it is >> >>>> already >> >>> in >> >>>> a trailer park and wouldn’t have to be moved. >> >>>> >> >>>> This is a totally do-able target number for me. If I can hear >> >>>> from her regarding whether she is in favour of this option, I >> >>>> can get to work to get that mobile home for her. >> >>>> >> >>>> I hate to rely upon you to be the go-between, and if you are >> >>>> unable to do that, I will have to venture onto Facebook, >> >>>> regardless of my concerns. >> >>> Let >> >>>> me know. >> >>>> >> >>>> Amani >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On >> >>>> Behalf Of Katherine K. >> >>>> Sent: May-03-16 1:18 PM >> >>>> To: >> >>>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>>> homeless >> >>>> >> >>>> I hear you. I will private message her. I did find a GoFundMe >> >>>> page she started -- without much luck it seems. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Amani Oakley >> >>>> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: >> >>>> Katherine >> >>>> >> >>>> I don’t go on Facebook very often. I will try to get to it but I >> >>>> am not very comfortable with it – they keep way too much of your >> >>>> personal information and track everything about you. Can you >> >>>> privately message her and provide her with my email address? I >> >>>> don’t want it posted publicly since obviously, every single >> >>>> person in the world with a difficult situation will be >> >>>> contacting me and I harbour enough guilt in my soul as it is. >> >>>> >> >>>> Is there someone else in South Carolina, close to her, with whom >> >>>> I can collaborate to perhaps find a used trailer she can live in >> >>>> with the animals and her son? I would be willing to spearhead >> >>>> some fundraising. >> >>>> >> >>>> Amani >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Felvtalk >> >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto: >> >>> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> >>>> On Behalf Of Katherine K. >> >>>> Sent: May-03-16 1:07 PM >> >>>> >> >>>> To: >> >>>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>>> homeless >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi Amani, >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks for your message. I don't have an email or phone number >> >>>> for Sharon Follin Jowers, but if you are on Facebook, you can >> >>>> see the full conversation by joining the "Owners of FeLV+/FIV+ >> >>>> cats" group. It's a private group, so you need to join the group >> >>>> to see it. >> >>>> >> >>>> Once you are a member this link will take you to it: >> >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/26073442228/permalink/1015419606 >> >>>> 7502229/ >> >>> . >> >>>> >> >>>> Katherine >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Amani Oakley >> >>>> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: >> >>>> Katherine >> >>>> >> >>>> I’m up in Canada so I can’t do much about finding a new home for >> >>>> the animals. However, I would like to see if we might be able to >> >>>> do something more permanent for a person with a good heart who >> >>>> keeps animals like >> >>> this. >> >>>> Can you put me in touch with her? Can you get more details? >> >>>> >> >>>> Amani >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Felvtalk >> >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto: >> >>> felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> >>>> On Behalf Of Katherine K. >> >>>> Sent: May-03-16 7:21 AM >> >>>> To: >> >>>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is >> >>>> homeless >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> She lives in a motel room with five cats, a dog and I think her >> >>>> adult son too. I think efforts have been made to raise money for >> >>>> a rent deposit in the past for her but I am unclear on the >> >>>> history. She just posted a request for help with rehoming her >> >>>> animal(s). >> >>>> >> >>>> The FeLV cat has some blood in his stool but sounds healthy and >> >>>> playful otherwise. >> >>>> >> >>>> Any Charleston resources or rescues that I could pass along? >> >>>> On May 3, 2016 2:57 AM, "Amani Oakley" >> >>>> <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: >> >>>> Katherine >> >>>> >> >>>> Is it too late to help the owner keep her house? >> >>>> >> >>>> Amani >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Felvtalk mailing list >> >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi >> >>> a.org >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Felvtalk mailing list >> >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi >> >>> a.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Felvtalk mailing list >> > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia. >> > org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g _______________________________________________ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
