I'm in San Jose Ca.... Do you know if there would be any issues combining the Winstrol with Interferon?
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438 On Sep 16, 2016 8:24 AM, <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_ > felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:24:34 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30166FB208E@OAKLEYSRV.oakley. > local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Unfortunately, many on this email list have faced the problem of > uncooperative vets on this topic. The only options are finding another vet > or trying to source the Winstrol online. There are many vet compounding > pharmacies which will provide the Winstrol to any vet, so sourcing it is > not a problem ? getting the prescription is. > > Perhaps if you identify where you are located, others in this group may be > close to you, and may have found helpful vets. I am in Ontario, Canada, and > my vet is great. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Liz McCarty > Sent: September-16-16 11:16 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 8 > > > Any suggestions on what to do if the vet doesn't want to prescribe > Winstrol? > > Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438 > > On Sep 16, 2016 6:48 AM, <felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felv > talk-requ...@felineleukemia.org>> wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_ > felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felv > talk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-owner@ > felineleukemia.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV (Amani Oakley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:48:06 +0000 > From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > >> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" < > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > Message-ID: > <E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30166FB1F5D@OAKLEYSRV.oakley. > local<mailto:E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30166FB1F5D@ > OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Liz > > The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol > (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are > used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. > > Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. > > Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on > right now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down > or inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA > duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but > neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts > directly and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get red cells > generated again, quite promptly. At least it did for my Zander, and I have > been contacted directly by several people from this group, who have > reported to me that they also saw almost immediate (within 3 days) evidence > of their cats? gums/ears/pads pinkening up. > > The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also > what professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite > unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that > association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both > animal and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to > be effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. > > Here is a blurb I found about it: > > Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based > Winthrop Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in > 1961, Winthrop?s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started > manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets. > In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But > later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting > growth and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of > the manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol > was among those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s > and 1990s. During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia > ? as it had the power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a > treatment for facial swelling or angioedema. > When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation > Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, > Ovation Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol > products available today in the American markets are only generic and not > pharmaceutical grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still > manufacture and sell Winstrol. > Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it > separates from the liquid into micrometer particles. These particles will > fall to the bottom if the container is not disturbed for a few hours. The > crystals have a milky white color. > Winstrol can not only be used for humans, but it has veterinary uses as > well. Weakened or injured animals can be treated with Winstrol in order to > promote red blood cell count, strengthen bones, stimulate appetite, and > enhance muscle growth. It has also reportedly been used to dope horses in > US horse races. > If your vet is willing to try this, he/she will need to order it from a > compounding pharmacy. > > The dose should be 1 mg 2 times a day for a cat. If your cat is in poor > shape and needs an immediate boost, start him on 2 mg x 2 times a day for a > week or so, and then drop down to the lower dose. > > Your vet will undoubtedly say that Winstrol is known to cause liver damage. > > The first answer to this is, so what? FeLV will almost invariably result > in the premature death of cats. The vets have nothing which is directly > effective to fight FeLV. Things like Interferon may or may not assist but > such a treatment is again a side treatment where you are hoping to boost > your cat?s immune system, rather than a direct attack on the virus. It is > also quite indirect in that IF the interferon helps, it will be more long > term, and only if it manages to boost the immune system enough to permit > your cat?s system to try and fight the virus, and when/if the virus is > inhibited enough, then MAYBE (if the virus hasn?t already destroyed all the > progenitor cells in the bone marrow) will red cell production begin to > climb again. Winstrol is the only medication that I know of, (and believe > me, I have looked!) that seems to work by turning back on those progenitor > cells or possibly promoting the growth of new ones since it also works to > enhance the production of bone cells > (effective against osteoporosis). > > The second answer, regarding the liver damage, is that the only > information about this is quite suspect, coming out of a very poorly > designed research study where the cats in the study were given doses found > effective on HUSKY SLED DOGS for lord?s sake! The cats were given a LOADING > DOSE via intravenous injection, of 25 mg ? more than 10 times the > recommended daily dose for cats. That?s the only study which has found this > supposed link between Winstrol and liver damage. And even in that study, > with those remarkably ridiculous doses, the cats in that study only had > elevated liver enzymes (no tumours, etc.) and the liver enzymes dropped > back to normal levels when the Winstrol was discontinued. This is > consistent with my experience as well. I refused to stop the Winstrol for > my cat, when the enzymes went up, because he was going to die with the low > red cell count he had. I kept him on Winstrol for around 10 months, before > the red cells were in a normal range. During that ten mon > th period, I would wean him down a few times, but ALWAYS the red cells > would immediately drop again, so it was more than clear that it was the > Winstrol making the numbers rise. So, in the end, he had Winstrol pretty > much for the duration of 10 months and his liver enzymes went right back to > normal again, once I discontinued the Winstrol ? NO lasting damage. This > was also my experience with a second cat with a nasal sarcoma, and where I > used the Winstrol to keep her appetite up and reduce the swelling (she was > 16). The enzymes went quite high at the outset of my use of Winstrol, but > went back to normal when I weaned her off for a bit and then again when I > ultimately took her off the Winstrol. > > Get the Winstrol if you can, and use it in combination with the prednisone > (which I am told also helps to protect the liver when the Winstrol is used) > and Doxycycline. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felv > talk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Liz McCarty > Sent: September-15-16 1:40 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > > Hi everyone, > > Looking for support, suggestions, and information. I've never had a cat > with FeLV. We took our 1 year old, Hodor, to the vet because he seemed > lethargic and in his stool there was a piece of floss that was red. At the > vet things escalated and they told us he was severely anemic and would need > a transfusion that day. I took off work and rushed him to a specialist. The > vet there told us she would run an FeLV test before doing anything in case > we wanted to avoid the extra tests and procedures. She told us he was FeLV > positive and persistently talked to me and my fiance about euthanizing him > which was out of the question for us. I took him to the vet thinking it was > going to be minor and then she's talking to me about killing him! We went > forward with the blood transfusion. It's been almost 3 weeks now. They had > him on doxycycline in case there was a bacterial cause, and prednisone. > Last week he started interferon... Does anyone have experience with that > and know if it was effec > tive? I also started him on Pet Tinic. Any other suggestions? Any > insight into whether you think he will be able to pull through? He doesn't > have cancer, they ran the tests but don't know if it's in the bone marrow. > I'm scared. We have another one year old, unrelated, and they are best > friends. It breaks my heart to think they might be separated. She's not > FeLV positive. > > Additionally I have set up a go fund me to help with the costs we > incurred, and I want to donate half to FeLV research if anyone is > interested. > http://www.gofundme.com/2mzdpgk > > Mainly looking for support and advice. 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