Robert, May I ask what his HCT is? ~ Nancy ~
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of the > problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is still able > to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and see if that helps. I > also would again recommend Doxycycline in the hopes that it would act to keep > the viral load down. > > Amani > > -----Original Message----- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: September-20-16 6:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and similiars > > > Amani... > > I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really > considered this... As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it becomes > life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( or > similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out.... My young boy Yogi > ( who is riddled with FeLV related problems... ) is mildly anemic and I was , > in fact, considering starting the drug before his numbers drop too > substantially...... Very aggravating that my current Vet appeared willing, > initially, to write me a script for Winstrol but took back the offer after > she spoke to the clinics director... Can't afford to keep changing Vets > want someone with at least a " little " investment in my guy and who has a > sense of his history... > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 01:00 PM, [email protected] > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. FW: Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs.... (Amani Oakley) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:19:56 +0000 >> From: Amani Oakley To: "[email protected]" Subject: >> [Felvtalk] FW: Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs.... >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen >> acts on the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that >> tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. >> >> The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell >> progenitor cells in the bone marrow and either kills them or takes >> them over so that they make viruses, not red cells. My hypothesis is >> that when the red cell production stops, it is because all the >> progenitor cells have been destroyed or taken over the by virus. Thus, >> giving Epogen probably won't be helpful, because the cells which >> normally respond to erythropoietin by creating more red cells, can no >> longer do so because the progenitor cells are damaged or dead and can >> no longer produce red cells. >> >> Winstrol is known to be good for osteoporosis. My hypothesis is that >> it strengthens the bone marrow by encouraging the growth of new cells >> in the bone marrow. That would explain how red cell production gets >> started back up again with the use of Winstrol. >> >> With the Epogen, it is causing more erythropoietin to be produced to >> "tell" the progenitor cells to produce red cells, but the progenitor >> cells are either dead or damaged by the virus and can no longer >> respond appropriately to the detection of higher levels of >> erythropoietin. Epogen might work if you start it before the bone >> marrow is really devastated - ie - before you get the big drop in red >> cells and haematocrit. >> >> Fair warning though: this is all my hypothesis, based on my own >> observations, research and experience. >> >> Amani >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of ROBERT CHAPEL >> Sent: September-18-16 5:22 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen and other RBC enhancing drugs.... >> >> Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or >> Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with >> Kidney Failure patients)....?? It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper >> when used for veterinary purposes than human....?? As the go to drug >> for anemia in Kidney patients it would stand to reason that it " >> should" work for Feline anemia......??? There will not be the same >> resistance to using this as we encounter attempting to procure >> Winstrol...... >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 21 >> **************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
