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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:35:38 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and
Prednisolone....
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I had a blind cat (Dodsie) who lived to be 19. Since she already knew
our house, she adjusted to being blind so well. She walked around
rooms close to the outer walls, almost touching them. She was able to
go downstairs to use the litter box and come back up with no problem.
I of course kept her bed close to the wall so no one would step on
her. I think we felt sorrier for her than she did...she adjusted so
well and it really didn't seem to bother her and we knew she was
totally blind in both eyes. She responded to our voice just like
before. She was an only cat so that probably helped her feel secure.
And thankfully when she left us, she just went to sleep one afternoon
and did not wake up.
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 10:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
Robert
I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You would
be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the pain
will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my cats, who
also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just nothing
that worked, and the eye was really bad.
In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to
help with pain and controlling infection:
1. Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2. Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once
before discarding it.
Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a
compounding pharmacy.
Amani
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through.... I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had something
causing him pain at least 5 of them...... I put him on high doses of
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe Uveitis(
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would likely
have to be given chronically....VERY unfortunately he developed a huge
corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...
Now I've got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three
times a day in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing..... This on
top of his continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and
still with some blood in the stool..... The BIG problem in the
moment is that I really can't put him back on topical corticosteroids
if it is going to do this to him..... but.....when I tried to back off
them before his Uveitis returned..... There is a good chance it will
return again..... Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be
used for a cats
eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid?? I'll be
frank.... this little guy is using up every single dime and then
some of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able
to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out..... beyond
that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one
malady after another.... Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go
from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but....
I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy.... He started
getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better..... My other
guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once
for an upper respiratory infection..... I'm not just going to wait
for the little guy to pass..... I'm thinking that if the Uveitis
returns and there is nothing that will control it besides
corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always
hurting.... Hasn't been able to be a kitten f
or more than a few weeks since I brought him home .... Add to this
that my quality of life is pretty crappy at this point as I can take
very little time away from home.... I'd spend thousands that I don't
have if I had any assurance that it would make a difference but not
just to keep him " functional" until he fades away while his life
becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly blind....
sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who
still wants to play.... His " better" eye does not appear to be very
functional which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump
him..... I sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it
appears that he prefers being out in the entire house even with the
risk of the other guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do
as he prefers as long as it's not too dangerous......
But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences with
anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
Corticosteroids.......
thanks for any thoughts..
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday,
September 25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
changes. Where can I find information about that?
Thanks,
Margo
-----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016
12:25 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]
Hodor Declining
Elizabeth
My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my
Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was happening,
and even though I left him on it for several months (with blood
transfusions, to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was
no effect at all on the red blood cells or haematocrit.
Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is to
put him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy... Until
Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move very
far. Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started
tearing occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water
bottle we freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on
interferon for 2 weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He
started back last night. Has anyone had interferon experience and
seen their cats drop on the week off? Any suggestions? I don't want
to lose him. We are also giving him prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.
I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his doxycycline...
Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to
start him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system
needs this extra stress! He was doing so well when he had the
doxycycline.
Thank you.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 21:42:10 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: "'Margo'" ,
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
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Buprenorphine really helped Tigger when he was in pain, but we
actually cut the dose down to the smallest amount that would work. I
think we used about 1/3 of the prescribed dose.
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Margo
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 5:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
Amani,
Is there an advantage to transdermal buprenorphine? I thought it
was best/quickest absorbed muscosally?
Margo
-----Original Message-----
From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016 11:47 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye
Problems and Prednisolone....
Robert
I recommend that you have the vet surgically remove the eye. You
would be surprised at how quickly a cat will adjust to this, and the
pain will stop immediately. I had this experience with one of my
cats, who also had severe uveitis when I got her, and there was just
nothing that worked, and the eye was really bad.
In the meantime, there are two techniques you might want to try to
help with pain and controlling infection:
1. Try putting contact lens saline in the eyes. This is soothing and
has a tiny bit of disinfectant which is obviously safe for the eyes;
2. Try putting a used tea bag (warm) on the eye. Only use it once
before discarding it.
Also, ask the vet for buprenorphine in a transdermal cream. This will
help tremendously with the pain. Get the vet to obtain it from a
compounding pharmacy.
Amani
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: September-25-16 3:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (
Yogi) through.... I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had
something causing him pain at least 5 of them...... I put him on
high doses of ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a
severe Uveitis( bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet
said it would likely have to be given chronically....VERY
unfortunately he developed a huge corneal abrasion ( Green dye uptake
involved almost his etire eye)... Now I've got the poor little guy on
atropine and two antibiotics three times a day in hopes of keeping
the eye from rupturing..... This on top of his continuing to lose
weight despite healthy appetite and still with some blood in the
stool..... The BIG problem in the moment is that I really can't put
him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do this to
him..... but.....when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis
returned..... There is a good chance it will return again.....
Has anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cat
s eye inflammation that is not a corticosteroid?? I'll be
frank.... this little guy is using up every single dime and then
some of my retirement " disposable" income and I simply won't be able
to afford him pretty soon if I don't figure something out..... beyond
that... it is just too sad seeing him constantly suffering with one
malady after another.... Winstrol is not going to happen unless I go
from Vet to Vet and hope I can find one that will work with me but....
I honestly don't hold out a lot of hope for this guy.... He started
getting sick very young and it's not gotten any better..... My other
guy is holding his own and I haven't had him to the vet more than once
for an upper respiratory infection..... I'm not just going to wait
for the little guy to pass..... I'm thinking that if the Uveitis
returns and there is nothing that will control it besides
corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always
hurting.... Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks
since I brought him home .... Add to this that my quality of life is
pretty crappy at this point as I can take very little time away from
home.... I'd spend thousands that I don't have if I had any
assurance that it would make a difference but not just to keep him "
functional" until he fades away while his life becomes enduring
constant medication... being nearly blind.... sleeping and eating and
avoiding the advances of his house mate who still wants to play....
His " better" eye does not appear to be very functional which leaves
him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him..... I sometimes
separate them when I am out of the house but it appears that he
prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the other
guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as
long as it's not too dangerous......
But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences
with anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are
not Corticosteroids.......
thanks for any thoughts..
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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday,
September 25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor
Declining
I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
changes. Where can I find information about that?
Thanks,
Margo
-----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016
12:25 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]
Hodor Declining
Elizabeth
My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my
Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was happening,
and even though I left him on it for several months (with blood
transfusions, to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there
was no effect at all on the red blood cells or haematocrit.
Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is to
put him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
Behalf Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy... Until
Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move
very far. Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started
tearing occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water
bottle we freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on
interferon for 2 weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He
started back last night. Has anyone had interferon experience and
seen their cats drop on the week off? Any suggestions? I don't want
to lose him. We are also giving him prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.
I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his doxycycline...
Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to
start him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system
needs this extra stress! He was doing so well when he had the
doxycycline.
Thank you.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 19:48:03 -0700
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I spoke with the vet this evening and she said Winstrol doesn't work
and
actually can have negative side effects. I also didn't tell her I had
already started him back on the doxycycline but she said she would
prefer
instead he see the regular vet to see what's going on with his eye.
Since
the doxycycline his eyes look normal again! I don't sense the same
urgency
that I have in this vet, although she is better than the first who
just
said to euthanize. Any ideas how to search FeLV specialists? I've
Googled
for my area but nothing comes up. I live in San Jose Ca
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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2. Re: Looking for advice (Amani Oakley)
3. Re: Looking for advice (Ashley Egger)
4. Re: Looking for advice (Ardy Robertson)
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 11:33:47 -0700
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I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very
well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't
spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His
eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him
though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not
sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4. He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the
appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another
transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that
a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't
want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this
if
it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Hi Elizabeth
Only you can say what is right for your little guy. However, I
personally
would try the Winstrol and see what response you get with that. You
already
had a better response with the Doxycycline, so there is still some
hope.
Absolutely steel yourself though, because it is quite likely that your
vet
will start pushing for euthanasia if that hasn?t already been
suggested.
We?ve all had to deal with that pressure from the vets, on this
chatline.
Resist taking him off the doxycycline and get him on the Winstrol if
at all
possible. Winstrol has the potential of a quick effect, so you won?t
have
to wait weeks and weeks to see if there is a positive effect,
especially if
you draw bloodwork before he starts on the Winstrol. You can often see
some
quick changes in the haematology profile.
Giving him another transfusion will also give some time for different
things to work, but again, if you aren?t seeing a discernable boost
from
the Interferon alone, don?t put all your eggs in that basket. Keep him
on
it if you like, but try to get the vet to give you the Winstrol as
well.
Amani
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of
Liz McCarty
Sent: September-27-16 2:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Looking for advice
I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very
well.
I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I haven't
spoken
with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't heard. His
eye
is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried about him
though.
I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though, I'm not
sure
about his blood count or what it will look like at our appointment
scheduled for 10/4. He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the
appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another
transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that
a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't
want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this
if
it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2016 18:28:54 -0500
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Liz, I don't really have anything to add but just want to say I'm so
sorry
you and Hodor are having to go through this. I will be keeping Hodor
in my
thoughts and prayers!
Sent from my iPhone
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I posted a few days ago about my cat Hodor. He's still not doing very
well. I went ahead and started the doxycycline again even though I
haven't
spoken with the vet - she was off Sunday and Monday. Still haven't
heard.
His eye is looking a lot better with the doxycycline. I'm worried
about him
though. I want to ask about Winstrol. I'm looking for advice though,
I'm
not sure about his blood count or what it will look like at our
appointment
scheduled for 10/4. He's on his 3rd week of interferon... Alternating
weeks on and weeks off. I'm worried when we take him for the
appointment
they will ask us to euthanize him. Would any of you try another
transfusion
to see if the interferon can work? Or if we get Winstrol to give that
a
shot? Or should we accept that it might be his time to go. I don't
want him
to suffer, and I don't want to put him through another round of this
if
it's inhumane, but I don't want to lose him. Thanks.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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Hi Ashley,
If it isn?t too late for him the Winstrol is fabulous at helping build
up
his blood. My Tigger?s blood work got so much better the pathologist
reran
the testing process because he couldn?t believe what he was seeing in
the
results. I did lose Tigg but I feel it was because I started the
Winstrol
too late. Tigger had the one week on / one week off of the interferon
for
about 2 months, and his blood declined while on it. But I suppose all
cats
are different. I just wish I had started the Winstrol and Prednisolone
along with the Doxy much earlier. I too didn?t want him to suffer but
I
don?t feel he suffered. Whatever you decide, you are doing your best
for
him.
Best of luck to you and Hodor.
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of
Ashley Egger
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 6:29 PM
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Liz, I don't really have anything to add but just want to say I'm so
sorry
you and Hodor are having to go through this. I will be keeping Hodor
in my
thoughts and prayers!
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 27, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Liz McCarty
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