With some vets we have to get aggressive for the sake of our babies. Either that or change vets. My problem is that being in a small town, we don't have may vets to choose from. My current vet seems more agreeable than the last one plus she is not always out on a farm call when I need her.
---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sherri - when you go in again why don't you just ask the vet to humor you > and let you try doxycycline just so that you can feel like you tried > everything for Bogey. Maybe he will give in if you keep asking. When I > changed vets during Tigger's treatment I told them flat out that I was going > to be a steady customer for a while and I wanted all 4 of the vets to be > aware of Tigger's condition and to please give me what I needed. I told them > that Amani was helping me and basically that I wanted to call the shots and > they were okay with it (to my surprise). I am normally a very mild-mannered > person but when it came to my Tigger Baby's life, I was bold!! Thank you > again Amani - we almost succeeded with Tigger, and if I had gotten the > Winstrol sooner I think we would have :) > > > > Ardy > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 6:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > > > > Oh my gosh Amani! What an incredible story. The chances that he could > survive from where he was. I cannot imagine the joy you felt when you saw > his gums were pink. What a long road for the both of you. Says so much about > you. So your vet knew of the treatment but was afraid of it. Hopefully the > next FELV cat they saw in their office, they remembered the success that you > experienced and prescribed accordingly. How lucky that you had the knowledge > you did, the confidence to respectfully challenge the ones telling you there > was no hope. Zander was one lucky kitty. > > > > I can't say that I don't worry about the side effects of the drugs Bogey is > taking. But I understand that he has to survive THIS first. I am not so sure > that my vet has anything against using Doxycicline as much as he just > doesn't see a need for it yet. What test was run on Zander to check the > liver enzymes you mentioned? > > > > Getting the message out about this drug and it's positive response in FELV > anemic cats is something I truly hope happens. When my vet gave me this pill > for Bogey, I had no idea what it was. He told me it was a steroid that body > builders take. I ran home, gave the cat the pill, sat down at my computer > and Googled "Felv Stanzolol" and this site came up. I have written a bit > about my experience thus far here, and on a Facebook page for FIV and FELV > cats. But it makes me feel bad for the people that read it and get hopeful, > go to their vets and get the "doesn't help", "bad for livers" or just "No". > I know it is very early in Bogey's treatment and she may not continue to get > better with just what she is taking. But I am glad for every moment that I > have with her. I hope I have hundreds and thousands more. > > > > Thanks for sharing the story about Zander. Amazing. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Amani Oakley > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Reply-To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 6:11 PM > To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> " > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol > > > > Yes, Sherri. There's no question this is a frustrating, devastating disease, > made far far worse by vets lacking in knowledge, and committed to just > putting down FeLV cats. Sherri, Zander's haematocrit was actually down to 5 > initially, and he had to be placed in an oxygen tent because his haemoglobin > was so low his body would have had trouble transporting oxygen to the cells > in his body. I gave him blood transfusions initially, but could see that > they were only temporary stopgaps, and after the second one, he had a > reaction, so I was told he couldn't have any more transfusions, as the next > one would kill him. As a former medical technologist, I knew that to be > true. (In Canada, they didn't test for blood type at the time - don't know > if they do now.) > > > > After trying Zander on a course of Interferon and a course of LTCI (or > whatever it is called - I always mix up the letters), I totally by chance, > opened up my drawer and rummaged through it in desperation because his > haematocrit had dropped from a high of 16 after his second blood > transfusion, back down to 10, and I knew I was going to lose him soon. He > was on Doxycycline and Prednisone, but it wasn't doing a thing for his cell > lines, which were all depressed - with the most critical being the red > cells/haematocrit numbers. Imagine my total surprise when, after I gave him > some old Winstrol I found in the drawer, I started noticing his ears and > gums taking on a pink hue and when I tested him 3 days after starting the > Winstrol, the haematocrit had gone up instead of steadily down. > > > > My surprise grew, and finally overcame my skepticism (I mean, really, what > are the odds that I discovered a cure???) and Zander's results kept slowly > but steadily rising for months and months until he was finally out of danger > and then into the normal reference range for all his results. > > > > Then, after a year, when I told the internal specialist who had very kindly > told me there was no hope with this disease, imagine my shock that he KNEW > about Winstrol and said that I had gone "old-school" and this has been > something they used to use for this disease until "word" spread that the > drug could cause liver damage! > > > > Frankly, after reading about all the experiences of so many people in this > situation, I realize how lucky I am. Because of my background in health > care, my very long relationship with my vet clinic (which I would often > diagnose things before them and/or I would identify problems they hadn't > seen) AND very likely, my prickly personality/refusal to take no for an > answer, my vets were good enough to back off and let me do my thing. They > recognized that, OBVIOUSLY, they had nothing to offer me if the Winstrol > didn't work. They faithfully tried the Interferon and the LTCI at my > request, and ran the weekly bloodwork, and agreed that there were no > positive effects. They saw the positive effects with the WInstrol. They > tried on a few occasions to talk me into discontinuing or reducing the > Winstrol when the liver enzymes increased, but after what Zander had been > through - being on the brink of death - I was not open to discussing this > option. On a few occasions I would reduce the Winstrol briefly, only to see > his haematology drop. I would then hold my breath for a few days or weeks, > to let the liver enzymes settle a bit, before getting him back on the > WInstrol. However, I don't think any of the vets were prepared to argue with > the obvious success. They had seen the unbelievably low haematocrit and red > cell count, for themselves. > > > > I just don't know how we can get this message across to mainstream vets. > This is NOT an evil drug which must be avoided at all costs. I wish I could > address a vet convention. If I had LITTLE TIME, I would write a paper and > submit it for publication in a vet publication. > > > > I get angered when I hear about all the trouble everyone has, getting some > Winstrol for their cats, despite the desperate circumstances the cats are > in. > > > > Sherri, the odd thing for you is that your vet is okay with the Winstrol but > not the Doxycycline. Really bizarre! > > > > No wonder underground markets flourish. It just shouldn't be this hard to be > at least given an opportunity and a bit of hope to save our cats. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
