Much like having the same MD for yourself for years it is really nice to
have a long term relationship with a vet who might know ALL of your pets
medical history and...having developed a relationship with you and the
pet may have even a bit more of an investment in us..... I really miss
not having that having just once again started in with pets again after
a hiatus of 6 years or so after losing my wonderful pooch..... I had
the same vet for years back then and he since went out of
business...... A friend of mine in a town I used to live in has
maintained a relationship with her vet for 30+ years and it really paid
off during the last months of her little dogs life where he ALWAYS made
time for her do that she didn't sit with worry for days...... This vet
is actually rather partial to cats( which my friend also has) but like
most vets has a varied small animal practice....He's 90 years old and
has been practicing since the days when you had only your stethoscope
and some good sense with which to make a Dx...... It's going to be very
difficult for my friend when he retires of dies.....Knowing you can
depend on your vet to take both your animals and YOUR welfare into
consideration is so reassuring.... not having to second guess ( which is
ALL I am doing these days with my vet{s} saves a LOT of time..... I'll
end this note prior to finishing all my thought because my Healthy FeLV
cat ( Magellin_ has decided it is NOW time for the Glasses Ritual....at
least once a day he decides that my glasses ( which I need to see the
computer) NEED to be removed from my face and HE is the guy to do
it...... Grabs them with his paws and pulls or if this fails.....gets
his teeth around the frame and pulls.... it's an irriation of course
but SO damn cute I just HAVE to let him do it...
I don't know how many of us there are on this listserve but I hope
people with let all know the vets they are happy with if others on the
list are looking for a vet in a specific area of the country...
Bob
Warwick NY
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That is what I said, they have a resonable chance of wining the case
or they would not pursue it. There is something that tells them it is
worthwhile. They will not sue if there is not a reasonable
expectation of winning
---- Amani Oakley wrote:
I would be happy to give an inside look at the life of a lawyer,
since few people have any idea what we do or how we do it.
I feel the need to explain that, first, it is not true that every
medication is the basis of a lawsuit. Second, no lawyer would ever
bring such litigation forward without some very very solid evidence
of problems with the medicine because - and I don?t think you are
seeing this - IT IS THE LAWYER WHO HAS TO PAY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
OF HIS/HER OWN MONEY to fund the litigation. Would YOU bet $100,000
or $200,000 or $500,000 of your own money (NOT counting thousands and
thousands of hours of unpaid work), if you weren?t convinced there
was sufficient and strong enough evidence to win a case? These cases
run for a minimum of 5-7 years, so would you pour in hours and hours
of unpaid time, PLUS hundreds of thousands of dollars of your own
money, on something with no basis in fact???
I seriously doubt it. I also don?t know of any other profession where
you are expected to put such significant sums of your own money and
your own unpaid time on the line, for the sake of a client's case,
and to run the case for years and years - unpaid - for the chance to
perhaps win in court. The court battle is always tilted in favour of
the big guys (corporate entities, doctors' professional protection
associations, insurance companies). They have unlimited resources,
teams of lawyers, etc., etc. My firm is just me and my husband.
In medical malpractice actions in Canada, I can tell you that the
statistics are that for every 10 medical malpractice actions that
actually make it into the court room (many are dismissed on
technicalities), NINE are decided in favour of the doctors. Moreover,
in Canada, the doctors don?t pay ANYTHING for their defence - it is
covered by government rebates to the physicians for 85% of their
insurance premiums. And the news is even worse than that. For the one
in ten cases that are actually won by an injured patient, the doctor
will invariably appeal and most of the cases where a patient wins,
are reversed on appeal anyway, so the patient who is successful in
trial almost always loses at appeal.
ALL OF THAT MONEY, to fund the litigation, hire the necessary
experts, bring the required motions to court, etc., is underwritten
by the medical malpractice lawyer.
Your enemy is NOT the trial lawyer. You have been fed a bill of goods
by insurance companies. Look into it in any detail and you will see
what I mean.
Now, may I please ask everyone to please leave my current profession
out of this. I am happy to share my information and experience with
everyone, and believe I have been quite generous in doing so. What
started all this was a suggestion that the reason my vets give me
Winstrol is because they are scared of me as a lawyer. I do not
believe that to be true, and you should ask yourself if you are
paying attention to my suggestions because I am a lawyer. Since I am
pretty sure that is not the reason, then I would ask that you
recognize that my vets also have been good enough to listen to me
because I am quite up-to-speed on science and medicine, and can
interpret blood work like nobody's business. Additionally, I think
Margo's observation is bang on: if vets were afraid I would sue them,
they would never ever try something "off-label" or experimental with
me. As Margo suggested, anyone afraid of litigation will do
everything "by the book". Moreover, as I have pointed out, I ha
ve developed my relationship with my vets for literally decades, and
well before I became a lawyer. I frankly think they are far more
impressed with my ability to speak with them at the same level when it
comes to medical issues, then they are scared of me turning around and
suing them. I do not have a relationship of fear with my vets.
Amani
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From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
Just klook at the ads on tv. every medication that comes on the
market is now being sued. Someone asked me why? Lawyers who do
these things smell a handsome profit and snese that there is abasis
for these suits
---- Amani Oakley wrote:
You are correct Margo. No vet would consider experimenting if he
thought his client might blame him later for things going wrong. But
again, that presumes that a whole lot of people seriously
misunderstand the realities of litigation and have bought the
insurance companies' spin that there are all these crazy people who
will sue at the drop of a hat. Sadly, that is probably true.
Amani
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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
Behalf Of Margo
Sent: October-05-16 6:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
Funny, my thought was that a Vet would be LESS likely to try
anything even slightly out of the norm with a potentially litigious
client. That they would go strictly "by the book" in order to be
able to defend what they did, should here be a problem.
But then, there are Vets and there are VETS. "My" Vet has her last
day at the practice Friday for maternity leave, and won't be back
until January. I have no idea what I'll do. She says she'll be
available by phone and email, but I have my doubts. Although I DO
think she'll be bored ;)
Margo
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From: ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Oct 4, 2016 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
Amani...
I don't know how things work in Canada but I KNOW that were I a
lawyer I would get more cooperation from my vet....? As Vets begin
to charge more and more and?large corporations begin to?buy up
small practices here in the states the model is now?moving toward
the downside of human medicine.... discrete scheduling time periods
to maximize profits...
little time to " discuss" options and an aversion to moving on to
topics that could cause spending extra time.....? As prices rise so
do owner resentments at not being " cared about" or listened to
just as in human medicine..... and that( at least in the US) is
when lawsuits are most likely to be filed.... Most of us can
forgive a vet making a mistake when we feel he/she has put real
thought and concern into a Tx plan but putting our pets at risk
because an alteration in plan causes him to have to step outside
his comfort zone( and spend some extra time
thinking) or simply doesn't appear to care.. That doesn't fly when
we are paying Hundreds of dollars to save our precious pets..
Malpractice lawyer pet owners ( or patients in human medicine) are
likely surreptitiously treated with great care when moving through
waters fraught with potential for terminal errors..... and likely
get a bit more cooperation from their vets...?? I am glad for your
cats that you ARE in the profession that you now are...
So... it is , in my opinion, both good fortune and a dose of
deferential caution that gets you the kind of cooperation you get
from your vet?????? Yeah.... I'm pretty jaded at this point? : )
That is why I HAD to retire a bit early....
?
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