Sherri, I want to suggest a pill gun for giving pills to your Bogey. It's made giving the winstrol and pred to my Gravy such a breeze. Before, stuffing pills down her throat was traumatic (for both of us), but with the pill gun, I'm able to put both pills in it as well as a tiny bit of water, I tilt her head back and say "open" then squirt the pills down her throat...takes about 5 seconds, no fighting, it doesn't even bother her. Search "Kruuse Buster Pet Pill/Tablet Syringe with Soft Tip" on Amazon. I got mine from the vet.
Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Sherri, > Hi – I recently wanted to look at my Topaz’ gums because she has black spots > in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in there for > anything……UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I can hold a pen > crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I can see in there very > well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong – she just has that color > pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have easily held the pen with one hand > and snapped a picture with my phone in the other hand. > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am just going > to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give her half AM and > half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred (split the pill). 5mg at > once seems like a lot for this little cat. (6lb 5oz). She may feel better > having it that way anyway. > > I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must really > taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice cream or yogurt > this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on for that is high. 25mg > twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the first time around and the “parts” > were smaller. When they refilled, they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters > and she took ill shortly after we started her back on it in December. > > My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some periods like > your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at noticing pinkness in gums > and nose but clearly I haven’t mastered that yet. I looked at her gums today > and they looked awfully pink compared to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to > sit still while I took a pic of them for reference…gonna have to get another > pair of hands for that kind of photography. :-) > > We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting the > regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to where they > were in December. I think we were really making progress. > > Yea I don’t understand the “icteric” either. Just gonna accept that something > looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you) > > Your Zander…was a lucky little boy to have you! > > From: Felvtalk <[email protected]> on behalf of Amani > Oakley <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a day but > only right at the start for a month or so to “kickstart” the process because > his haematocrit was soooo low. I think the usually recommended dose for > Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave Zander his pills all at once – > prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I suspect that the problems you > encountered are far more likely to be related to the higher Winstrol dose > than the staggering of the medication. > > Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the problem > was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it by half, and > keep everything else the same, you might get a better response. Frankly, > though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble every time the meds are > pulled, that convinces me that it is definitely the meds that are making such > a significant difference in the levels. I really found, with Zander, that it > took more than 10 months before the numbers would “stick” – ie – when I > discontinued the meds, that the numbers wouldn’t start to immediately > decline, and I was testing him weekly. I could always see an immediate > reaction in the blood work, if I pulled him off the Winstrol. > > With Zander, after the 10 month period, I was able to wean him down, but that > probably took another 6 months or more. Thereafter, I watched him like a > hawk, and any time I saw his gums or ears fading in colour (and I got pretty > good at seeing it, as you might imagine) I would put him back on the meds for > a 6-8 week course, and that tended to straighten him back up again. > > I don’t know what to make of the description of icteric, because, like I > said, the only way serum would become icteric is from an elevated bilirubin > count, and the bilirubin was completely normal. However, even if the tech > mixed up the description, that doesn’t mean the lab results are mixed up. The > latest results are awfully close to the results from before December, so I > wouldn’t assume they belong to another cat. Determining if a sample is > icteric simply requires the tech to hold up the tube and look at the colour > of the serum. It is possible she wrote down icteric on this sample, but it > was another sample which was icteric. I am fairly confident that the serum > was not icteric, though. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sherri Godschalk > Sent: January-05-17 8:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > Hi Amani. Thanks for writing. Bogey actually was taking 2mg of the Stanazolol > once a day. (one capsule) Is that what your Zander was taking? Doc said I > could try every other day, or try 1mg twice a day if she starts to become ill > again. I think it is going to be a real balancing act here. In that 22 days > since she was hospitalized, she only had 7 dozes of Stanazolol and 8 of Doxy. > I am going to try to space them out some on a daily basis. Not give her any > medication within 3 hours of taking another. Did you give your baby meds all > in one sitting (both the steroids)? She is to be on the Doxy for 10 days and > recheck around that time. I am watching her food intake more carefully. If > she starts to slow down eating like she did when her liver problems started > last month, maybe I can catch it before it is a crisis and give her a break > from them briefly. > > I wouldn’t have guessed that her numbers were so bad. I was actually taken > aback when he showed them to me. She is eating so well. Has gained almost a > pound in the last month. Active. I thought she was doing a lot better than > she was as far as test results go. I was glad to see her platelets were not > bottomed out like they were in the past. > > Amani, did you ever get to the point with Zander that he wasn’t on constant > medicine? Was he able to sustain pretty good numbers for any period of time > without the medication? > > I had to look up the word “icteric” that she had written on the results. > Bogey’s stool and urine have no issues at this moment as far as color. Nor > does her skin. That surprised me too. In all honesty, after I left there I > thought “did they get my results mixed up with someone else's?” > > Thanks, > Sherri > > From: Felvtalk <[email protected]> on behalf of Amani > Oakley <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 7:27 PM > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit > > Hi Sherri > > As you’ve said, the good news is that the liver enzymes are dropping down. > The bad news is the anemia is back. I think if it were me, I would probably > go back to the 1mg a day dose of Stanazolol, along with the ¼ tablet of doxy > twice a day and the 5 mg of Prednisolone. I agree you could try halving the > prednisolone and giving ½ tablet, twice a day, but I am not sure that is very > significant. > > My other concern is that the lymphocytes have jumped up quite a bit as well, > which is not a good thing since that is usually the result of the FeLV virus > load. I also see a significant drop in the platelets. With my cat, I found > that each time I took him off the Stanazolol, I would get a nose-dive of the > red cells/haematocrit/hemoglobin as is apparent in Bogey’s most recent blood > results. That is why I ended up deciding to ignore the high liver enzymes. > However, I did not have a situation as you described, with Bogey feeling very > unwell with the high liver enzymes. Zander really didn’t exhibit much in the > way of changes when his liver enzymes increased, but I sure saw a difference > when he wasn’t on the Winstrol, so I opted to keep him on the Winstrol and > ignore the liver enzymes. Obviously for you, you will have to see how Bogey > does both on and off the medication and play it by ear. > > (By the way, I don’t think the tech was right about the icteric blood. The > total bilirubin was only 1.4 so I don’t see how it is possible for the serum > to be icteric.) > > Amani > > > (Sorry – I ONCE AGAIN had to delete the rest of the message, since ONCE > AGAIN, the message bounced.) > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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